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To: RnMomof7
Well again, I have to respectfully disagree because I have the choice on a daily basis to freely worship God or not--to freely choose to engage in sinful pleasures, or not. I do what is right out of love...love that I give freely, not one that is taken from me without choice.

Jesus is a loving savior. He died for everyone, not just some. He did not create, only to condemn because He is all good.

118 posted on 05/14/2002 3:32:45 PM PDT by JMJ333
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To: JMJ333
Well again, I have to respectfully disagree because I have the choice on a daily basis to freely worship God or not--to freely choose to engage in sinful pleasures, or not. I do what is right out of love...love that I give freely, not one that is taken from me without choice.

Yes you do have that choice and so do I ... The problem as I see it is that "Calvinism" has gotten bad press:>)

The problem with the world is not too little free will but to much:>)

JM none of us has a toally free will..our wills all work freely withing a given set of choices

What kind of choice to we have if God already knows your choice? Do you really think you have absolute free choice now?

Did you select your parents, the place of your birth? Your race or sex? Your intellect? Your parents financial situation? Our live choices are limited by the circumstances of our birth..If you had been born in the bush in africa you would not be posting on FR right now most likely..

God made those choices for you. And even now your choices are not without restrictions . You chose within a certain set of choices.

Your lifes choices have been restricted by God's decisions before you were born..Do you think a God that carefully crafted your life would have no care for your eternity? He knows how many hairs you will loose today..He knows because He has fashioned you.....to His good pleasure When you hop in your car, why are you given the choice to go anywhere, or to just sit there? Sure God knows what you would do, but why should you have a choice? God is giving us choices for what purpose?

We all have free choice..I never choose green beans..I hate them..that is a free choice..but sometimes we have a left over so it choses me:>)))

We all have free choice JM..but it is not without bounds..If you jump from a 100 story building you can not change your mind at the 50th floor..the law of gravity takes precedent..you go smush....

You can get in your car and choose where to go..but your choice is limited by the time you have, the gas in the tank or the limit on your credit card.....God does know the woman he made JM....He crafted you quite carefully.....he knows your personality and your strengths and your weakness......in effect you were created to make certain choices..

Have you ever seen the Identical twin study where they examine two men separated at birth..both love firefighting..One has it as a job..the other is a manner of a volunteer unit..they both drive the same car..had the same IQ's and have the same educational level....both of their wives are named Jean...both wives are blondes and both men have the same number of children.

The world will call that genetics..an accident of birth...I say God knew them before they were born and he created them in such a way that they would have make choices..They do choose what they want..but God has governed what they want before they were ever born

The problem is that because of the fall men do not really want God..they will not choose God..

Men love darkness more than the light

The grace of God makes man born again..it makes him the perfect creation that God had planned him to be before the fall.....once the man is born again his desires change and he now not only can choose God ,but he desires to choose God..

121 posted on 05/14/2002 3:48:29 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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