Bellflower, Ca. is NOT a " major " city, dear. It is reeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaalllllllllllllllllly stretching the meaning of the word " major ", to the nth degree. How is Bellflower a MAJOR city ? Is it, perchance as large as N.Y.C., or Boston, or L.A., or Chicago; or even Albany or Houston or Seattle ? As I said, I'VE NEVER EVEN HEARD OF IT BEFORE !
I;m talking about what Rudy, as a MAYOR , did ( yep, he did that, and MORE good stuff ! ) , and you throw in Pataki, who's the governor , and you talk about changing topics ? Sheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeesh !
Yes, by its very nature, Libertarianism, IS Utopian. Unlike some Utopian enclaves ( that have been tried out ), it doesn't even strive for a community of like minded souls ; rather it would FORCE ( how VERY unLibertarian, of Libertarians ! ) it down everyone's throat, willy-nilly and expect it to actually work ... totally disregarding the probable consequences . Well, that's NOt totally correct; FR Libertarians talk about " Social Darwinism "; which wouldn't work out the way they all seem to expect it would. LOL
No shades of grey ... either one is for something, or not ; neutrality about a topic, becomes PRO . The LP platform is " neutral " on ALL abortion. Even Partial birth abortion ( infantacide ! ) isn't to be condemned. Tolerance / decriminalization of prostitution ... even child prostitution, is fine and dandy. I have seen, with these two eyes, and so have others, Libertarians, type, on a thread on FR that there isn't anything " wrong " with kiddie porn; that it wasn't porn at all, but " art ". There's far mire that I could cite; but it's not worth the bother. You won't agree to what I write, and WILL manage to turn and twist it beyond recognition.
No, this isn't the same country is was, when it first began. It isn't even the same nation, that it was 50 years ago. The governent has changed, strayed from some of the early concepts, and has indeed overgrown. Though I do NOT think that the government should be this large, intrusive, or over regulated, unlike the Libertarian purists , I know that it is impossible to go back to the way it was in 1800, and don't expect it to do so any time soon. Nor do I agree with a great number of the LP's positions. In that, I am NOT alone, or in a tiny minority. The infinitessimally small minority are the Libertarians !
No, Republicans aren't Utopians. They aren't perfect; not anywhere near ; however, at least they are able to get some of the things done, that I want to get done. The ONLY thing, that fringe parties do, especially on a Federal level, is to be the spoiler. We are a Representative Republic, do NOT have coalition governments ( thank GOD and the Ffs ! ) ; ergo, Libertarians will NEVER , not EVER be in a position to get their more noxious and delitorious positions passed.
Do go on, dear, but as you have managed to bore the socks off me, I shan't. We've done this round, for years here and it's stale ; statist, if you will. The chains, that you drag around , weigh all honest debate down. See , anyone can use the " code words ", if they care to. LOL
How nonpardons defines "major city" is really irrelevant to the discussion. The accomplishments of Art Olivier as the mayor of Bellflower are no less significant because nonpardons has never heard of Bellflower.
I;m talking about what Rudy, as a MAYOR , did ( yep, he did that, and MORE good stuff ! ) , and you throw in Pataki, who's the governor , and you talk about changing topics?
I acknowledged the accomplishments you listed of Rudy as a good thing. I would expect no less of Rudy since the purpose of government is to protect people and property and he managed to make some progress in that endeavor. However, it was important to contrast the accomplishments of Rudy with the failures of another Republican in the same venue -- Republican governor George Pataki -- in order to give us perspective. It was not an attempt to change the topic.
Yes, by its very nature, Libertarianism, IS Utopian.
Anyone with political aspirations could be considered utopian, including yourself. So, I don't see how this is relevant. It doesn't really prove anything.
Unlike some Utopian enclaves ( that have been tried out ), it doesn't even strive for a community of like minded souls...
Rhetorical nonsense.
...rather it would FORCE...it down everyone's throat, willy-nilly and expect it to actually work ... totally disregarding the probable consequences.
A Libertarian government would limit itself to doing what government is supposed to do -- protect people and proptert. I don't understand how this constitutes forcing something down somebody's throat.
The LP platform is " neutral " on ALL abortion.
Despite the Republican party supposedly being pro-life it has done little or nothing to stop abortion. In fact, I'd submit that Republican legislators have contributed to the proliferation of abortion in society by subsidizing behavior and lifestyles, through the welfare state, which results in unwanted pregnancies.
...even child prostitution, is fine and dandy.
The LP does not support child prostitution and neither do any Libertarians. Your statement is simply a lie.
Though I do NOT think that the government should be this large, intrusive, or over regulated, unlike the Libertarian purists...
Huh?
Do go on, dear, but as you have managed to bore the socks off me, I shan't. We've done this round, for years here and it's stale ; statist, if you will.
So long as you continue to spread mistruths about Libertarians, Libertarianism, and advocate collectivism and statism I'll be here to make some sense of it all.