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To: Alan Chapman
No wonder Libertarians here, are incapable of rational debate . I said PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE for the last three cycles, and how many votes they got ( hint , hint, the numbers got lower , with each year ) ; and you're arguing about the number of votes, for ALL LP candidates, for the 2000 election. Apples and oranges. Name three elected Libertarian governors, three mayors ( of major cities ) , three Representatives, and three Senators. You can't ! You can't even name one ! Oh, and Ron Paul does NOT count for anything ; he ran as a REPUBLICAN .

Oh my, you people keep claiming that those who vote for Republicans don't vote with principles intact, because none of their candidates do the right thing ; not ever. Well, then it is safe to say ( and more factual ! ) , to say that Libertarians, who supposedly vote their " principles " , in voting for a candidate / party patform, that they don't agree with , on many, many issues , are hypocrites and unprincipled. Pity, that you don't understand logically stated refutation. You can't have it both ways .

No, my analogy works well. A lie is a lie is a lie is a lie.

315 posted on 05/14/2002 7:42:20 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: nopardons
I said PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE for the last three cycles, and how many votes they got...

No, that's not what you said. In post #251 you stated, "In 30 plus years, the LP has actually LOST voters and supporters.

Name three elected Libertarian governors, three mayors ( of major cities ) , three Representatives, and three Senators. You can't ! You can't even name one !

I have a better idea. Name one Republican governor or mayor who has left office with a smaller budget, fewer government employees, and less regulations than when he entered office. What's important is making a difference, not just winning elections for the sake of winning elections.

As to your challenge of naming one, Art Olivier is the former mayor of Bellflower, CA. That's a major city. While in office he cut taxes, repealed regulations, and privatized city services.

...Libertarians, who supposedly vote their " principles " , in voting for a candidate / party patform, that they don't agree with , on many, many issues , are hypocrites and unprincipled. Pity, that you don't understand logically stated refutation. You can't have it both ways .

Initially you said that Libertarians who disagree with portions of the LP platform and vote for LP candidates on principle are hypocrites. You also made the claim that Libertarians vote for candidates with whom they don't share principles (post #303). After I challenged you to explain yourself you've now changed your phrasing to "candidate/party platform."

Let me ask you something. Do you honestly believe that nobody sees what you're doing? Do you think you can deny saying things and play switcharoo with words and nobody will notice?

318 posted on 05/14/2002 8:04:08 PM PDT by Alan Chapman
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To: nopardons
Do you usually agree or disagree with Ron Paul?

Do you think Rep. Paul's beliefs are typical of all republicans?

Why?

Just wondering

338 posted on 05/16/2002 8:55:16 AM PDT by WhiteGuy
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