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WHY RUSH IS DISGRUNTLED (Bush is advancing the Democrats most liberal agenda )
Rush Limbaugh ^ | 5/13/2002 | rushlimbaugh

Posted on 05/13/2002 3:12:19 PM PDT by TLBSHOW

WHY RUSH IS DISGRUNTLED

On Monday's show, the Doctor of Democracy made a sad diagnosis: "If the Reagan Revolution is not dead, then it's dying." If there was a model that the Bush administration used in establishing itself, it was the Reagan presidency. But now Bush is advancing the Democrats' most liberal agenda items - something particularly frustrating at a time when Bush's popularity would make it easy for him to recruit new conservatives.

Many of you have been critical of Rush's reactions to Bush's actions on spending over the recent months, and we took more calls of this sort on Monday - people who'd convinced themselves that the farm bill made sense or that Bush had some grand strategery at play. Now, Rush could throw his beliefs out the window for a day or two and say things that you might want to hear - like when he endorsed Clinton back in 1992 - but that's not what he does.

Rush can only give you his honest reaction, even when he doesn't like those reactions. That's honesty, folks, and it goes to disprove a key criticism many of the nation's liberals have made of Rush over the years. They've said that Rush is a party hack, and that he'd support the Republican Party no matter what they did. They charged that the EIB Network was simply a tool, that we were in daily contact with the powers that be to get marching orders. Well, that has pretty much been dispelled here: Rush is disgruntled.


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To: lasereye
All drug laws are unconstitutional? Based on what provision?

What provision gives them the right to do anything about drugs?

381 posted on 05/17/2002 12:22:51 PM PDT by seanc623
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To: Phillip Augustus
Check out State v. Atwater, in which a jack-booted thug local Deputy Dawg made a physical arrest on a soccer mom for the heinous offense of failing to wear a seatbelt.

By what provision was that unconstitional?

382 posted on 05/17/2002 12:27:30 PM PDT by lasereye
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To: seanc623
What provision gives them the right to do anything about drugs?

Why does there have to be a provision explicitly permitting drug laws?

383 posted on 05/17/2002 12:28:56 PM PDT by lasereye
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To: seanc623
However, they WILL: 1) Throw the scouts in jail with hardened criminals if they get caught smoking a joint; 2) Will do the same thing to the scouts' parents, grandparents, nieces, nephews, cousins, priests, rabbis, teachers, friends who are dying of AIDS, suffering from glaucoma, nausea, etc. 3) Will deny those people financial aid for said drug offense while using the tax code and regulations to make the cost of higher education prohibitive. But the important thing is at least they won't have gay Scoutmasters. What a relief!

You're extremely confused. The courts don't do any of those things. Legislatures and Governors which are popularly elected pass (or don't) pass laws calling for those things and prsecutors prosecute them. Remember, I'm talking about COURT DECISIONS HERE!!!! DO YOU REMEMBER THAT???? You have continually asserted that it doesn't matter who controls the courts amongst Democrats and Republicans!!!!

384 posted on 05/17/2002 12:36:52 PM PDT by lasereye
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To: lasereye
I would certainly argue that the physical arrest of a citizen for a penalty for which jail time cannot be imposed violates due process.

One cannot go to jail, pursuant to sentence, for a seat-belt violation in nearly jurisdiction; what then can be the possible State interest in allowing a tyranical punk with a badge (and I am NOT referring to all or most cops, but absolutely the shoe fits this one) physically arrest under the circumstances?

It clearly violates one's Constitutional right against an illegal arrest, and arguably constitutes cruel and unusual punishment to handcuff, strip-search, and incarcerate for eight to ten hours (longer if a OR bond is not given) a person for driving without a seat-belt.

I am not bashing conservatives by pointing all of this out; I am bashing conservatives who behave like liberals. And, in this case, the Supreme Court acted like Hillary Clinton would have, a nasty nanny with an iron fist.

385 posted on 05/17/2002 12:55:28 PM PDT by Phillip Augustus
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To: Phillip Augustus
I don't know if the due process clause has anything to do with the case. The due process clause is about getting your day in court before you can be deprived of liberty or property. I'm no constitutional expert, but it's not clear to me that what they did, outrageous as it was, was unconstitutional. How did the case get to the SCOTUS? Was it a lawsuit by the aggrieved party?
386 posted on 05/17/2002 1:08:42 PM PDT by lasereye
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To: lasereye
You're extremely confused. The courts don't do any of those things. Legislatures and Governors which are popularly elected pass (or don't) pass laws calling for those things and prsecutors prosecute them. Remember, I'm talking about COURT DECISIONS HERE!!!! DO YOU REMEMBER THAT???? You have continually asserted that it doesn't matter who controls the courts amongst Democrats and Republicans!!!!

I know the courts don't do any of those things... if you read the whole post it said "the GOP", that means the politicians as a whole. The judges from both parties routinely uphold these laws, which makes them co-conspirators.

387 posted on 05/17/2002 2:01:36 PM PDT by seanc623
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To: lasereye
Why does there have to be a provision explicitly permitting drug laws?

Have you ever heard of the Tenth Amendment?

388 posted on 05/17/2002 2:03:06 PM PDT by seanc623
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To: seanc623
The judges from both parties routinely uphold these laws, which makes them co-conspirators.

If they're not unconstitutional why shouldn't they be upheld?

389 posted on 05/17/2002 2:03:37 PM PDT by lasereye
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To: lasereye
If they're not unconstitutional why shouldn't they be upheld?

Excuse me? They ARE unconstitutional... that's the whole point. You're really grasping at straws here. You know you can't win the argument so you keep changing the subject. I'll say it again in a different way. Show me where the Constitution gives the government power over our bodies or what we put in them.

390 posted on 05/17/2002 2:08:53 PM PDT by seanc623
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To: seanc623
I am not changing the subject. You are associating conservative justices with ignoring the constitutions doofus. So you haven't answered MY QUESTION: What is the Constitutional principle that something has to be explicitly permitted for the government to pass a law? I'm not aware of any such principle.
391 posted on 05/17/2002 2:17:59 PM PDT by lasereye
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To: lasereye
I am not changing the subject. You are associating conservative justices with ignoring the constitutions doofus. So you haven't answered MY QUESTION: What is the Constitutional principle that something has to be explicitly permitted for the government to pass a law? I'm not aware of any such principle.

MY ANSWER: The Tenth Amendment; that's why it's there! Also, "We hold these truths to be self-evident: that all men are endowed by their Creator with certain INALIENABLE rights, among these the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness," What part of INALIENABLE do you not understand? It means- government shall make no law--- none, that infringe on these rights. Why is this principle so difficult for conservatives to grasp?

392 posted on 05/17/2002 2:53:07 PM PDT by seanc623
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To: lasereye
Ms. Atwater was indeed "deprived of liberty" prior to her day in court when she was arrested. It went to the Supreme Court as a result of a civil lawsuit against the arresting officer and the municipality for which he worked.
393 posted on 05/17/2002 2:54:36 PM PDT by Phillip Augustus
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To: seanc623, nopardons
Please show me where I said the LP was irrelevant. I maintain that they are good to work with as activists on a local and state level, and I can even have a decent conversation with those members of the party that don't mind being identified with right-wing conservatives. All the same, it can be hard maintaining a balanced, even keel with people who can't even take credit when it is duly given.

And if you guys can get a dogcatcher on the ballot in my town, I'll be glad to vote for him if the only Republican dogcatcher is a RINO.

394 posted on 05/17/2002 3:43:48 PM PDT by TN Republican
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To: TN Republican
Please show me where I said the LP was irrelevant. I maintain that they are good to work with as activists on a local and state level, and I can even have a decent conversation with those members of the party that don't mind being identified with right-wing conservatives. All the same, it can be hard maintaining a balanced, even keel with people who can't even take credit when it is duly given. And if you guys can get a dogcatcher on the ballot in my town, I'll be glad to vote for him if the only Republican dogcatcher is a RINO.

Sorry I should have sent that post to No Pardons instead. But while I'm on the subject a Libertarian dogcatcher won't do you any good. I believe freedom is an all or nothing proposition. Voting for Libertarian dogcatchers and Republican everything else will result in your dog having a heck of a lot more freedom than you.

395 posted on 05/17/2002 4:21:30 PM PDT by seanc623
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To: seanc623
MY ANSWER: The Tenth Amendment; that's why it's there!

Congress clearly has the power to outlaw drugs under the Interstate Commerce Clause, certainly ones which are transported or sold across state lines. Perhaps the Feds are prohibited from outlawing growing marijuana in your living room for your personal use. If anyone has been prosecuted for that, it would have been under state or local laws anyway.

Also, "We hold these truths to be self-evident: that all men are endowed by their Creator with certain INALIENABLE rights, among these the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness," What part of INALIENABLE do you not understand? It means- government shall make no law--- none, that infringe on these rights. Why is this principle so difficult for conservatives to grasp?

The preamble to the constitution doesn't have the force of invalidating Federal Laws. It's a general philosophical statement. It's introducing the constitution which follows. It doesn't have any specific application. When has there ever been a court case where a law was struck down based on the preamble to the constitution, from the time when the drafters of the constitution were running the government till now? Cite me just one case.

396 posted on 05/17/2002 10:15:41 PM PDT by lasereye
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To: lasereye
Seems to me the libertarians are left wing in many ways.

Libertarians are not leftists. Leftists tend to be socialists, collectivists, and statists -- the antithesis of everything Libertarians stand for.

The Libertarian platform would abolish the FBI and CIA I believe.

Probably. The legitimate duties of those agencies would be incorporated into the DOD. The federal government is Constitutionally authorized to prosecute only 3 crimes.

Browne opposes the war in Afghanistan.

As do I and many others. The war in Afghanistan has cost the lives of thousands of innocent people who had nothing to do with 9/11. It will not teach terrorists a lesson and will not make us safer. The proper thing to do would've been to gather intelligence and seek out those responsible. However, that would've taken too long and the President needed to do something fast to appease the American peoples' thirst for vengeance.

They wouldn't have a draft under any circumstances.

Correct. Conscription would constitute involuntary servitude.

Then there's support for all abortion, including partial birth.

Many Libertarians oppose abortion and believe it should be a crime under the law.

What kind of vehicle is that for getting the country in a more conservative direction?

Take a look at the Republican record for the last 10 years and ask yourself the same question.

It's true the libertarians are far more conservative on economic issues than most Republicans, but so what? They'd abolish the income tax. They'd abolish all pollution laws. There's no chance of getting those things done. I couldn't support alot of the Libertarian economic platform.

Libertarians would abolish income, property, capital gains, and inheritence taxes. The EPA and AQMD would be closed down. Environmental regulations would be repealed. It would be up to consumers to pressure companies and others to be environmentally friendly. It can be done. McDonalds went from using styrofoam containers to paper wrappers as a result of consumer pressure.

It's important to note that the most polluted property in the country is owned and operated by government. This is because government has no financial interest in the future value of the property.

397 posted on 05/17/2002 10:19:03 PM PDT by Alan Chapman
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To: Phillip Augustus
Ms. Atwater was indeed "deprived of liberty" prior to her day in court when she was arrested.

Of course, but if that violated due process, anyone who's arrested and incarcerated prior to conviction had their rights violated, regardless of what the charge is.

I have a feeling the court decided the case on the narrow issue of whether the policeman had the legal right to arrest her. Obviously if an arrest was legal it doesn't grant the cop the right to do anything he feels like. But I don't know what the details of the case were. Perhaps she resisted arrest. Perfectly understandable. I might have done the same. The whole thing sounds outrageous, but unconstitutional? I don't know.

398 posted on 05/17/2002 10:24:14 PM PDT by lasereye
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To: Tribune7
" ... I'll attribute Dubya's victory to the Glory of the Almighty." -- Tribune7

Oh great, another religious fanatic adds their comments to the destruction of individual liberty, rights and freedoms because because they believe in the adjudicated decision.

399 posted on 05/18/2002 11:33:22 AM PDT by Buckeroo
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To: Buckeroo
Oh great, another religious fanatic adds their comments to the destruction of individual liberty, rights and freedoms because because they believe in the adjudicated decision.

Look at it this way. You got Jeffords out of the deal. I mean, he always was a Dem deep down but now he's official and he wouldn't have been if Dubya didn't win the election. Which he did according to the Constitution.

And Gray Davis is still your governor -- although hopefully not for long -- so don't despair.

400 posted on 05/18/2002 1:46:48 PM PDT by Tribune7
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