So you got your way. What exactly is better now. Were the alien workers sent back? Or are they still here? If they're still here, what was all the fuss over?
Not much, because Bush's inclination is still to pander to Latinos on the basis of coddling Illegal Immigration. But at least it's not worse.
OTH, It's better because Bush and the other pandering pols know that Americans are in no mood for their malfeasance on Illegals. Once in a while, they need to be reminded that they work for us, and serve at our pleasure.
So if his proposal would've passed, how would things be worse now in your eyes. It seems to me that the proposals defeat has had 0 effect on the alien worker problem. I mean, you got your way, so things must be going the way you want, eh?
I've explained it to you already... Amnesties encourage more Illegals.
Bush apparently wants to be part of the problem, rather than part of the solution. Therefore, thwarting his attempted surrenders is now a necessary part of the solution.
My point is that there was a lot of fuss over what amounts to paperwork. I see no big numbers of alien workers going home, nor are they going to go home. No government is going to create an exodus situation.
Certainly not one that you'd settle for. My point is that we can't continue to allow vast regions of our country to be overrun by Illegals.
Tell you what, though... Start a campaign to have your state of Illinois boost it's population by 1.5 million Illegals, so that your numbers are proportional to California's, and then I'll at least concede your intellectual consistency.
The Hebrews had manna from heaven, and a fire by night, a cloud by day. Are we going to take a chance that millions of aliens forced back over the border at gunpoint are going to get those gifts?
What happens to them across the border is Mexico's problem, not mine. But we don't need to force millions at gunpoint... With Total Asset Forfeiture, a few hundred thousand will do.
As for the rest...
They Will
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:^) What's your answer? Lincoln tried it with the freed slaves, they couldn't adjust.
Lincoln and the slaves? I fail to see your analogy.
Eisenhower booted 1.3 million Illegals during "Operation Wet-back" in the 50s... Was there a sudden upsurge in the need for therapy for maldjusted Mexicans?
A large number of people used to life in one country can't suddenly pick up in another country.
Didn't that same "large number of people" leave their countries and come here rather suddenly?
Think before you post.
What exactly were you complaing so hard about?
I'm disenchanted by the fact that my state is overrun with Illegals, while obtuse Americans living North of the Mason-Dixon and East of the Mississippi have their heads in a place that ostriches wouldn't venture, and they feel mighty smug about it.
There is bipartisan malfeasance on this issue, and you're comfortable with it because the crisis hasn't reached your state.
Illegals have never been encouraged to come and they keep coming so your argument doesn't have basis in reality.
Oh wow... Truly an Amnesty Deniers' HoF post!
#3Fan, Illegals are encouraged to come by the fact that we don't keep them out, we let them stay, and often pay them to do so.
I realize Illinois is relatively far-removed from the problem, but that's no excuse for spouting patent nonsense.
A battle won by the libs. It will help libs get elected, and there will be more open borders.
If so, that only illustrates the point that on this matter, Bush might as well be a lib, because he's done squat to protect our borders from Illegals.
You're OK with that, I'm not.
And the "Would you rather have Hillary?" retort is getting rather tired. I know the Democrats are corrupt on Illegals, I'm fighting against the GOP going down that road as well.
Are you prepared to give elections to the libs by pandering to Latinos on Illegal Immigration? Quit acting as if Bush and the rest ot our party have no choice... They do. The have it in their power to do the right thing.
But if Bush chooses surrender and pandering, my vote will be lost.
Lots of vitamins in that post! The "bipartisan malfeasance" is stomach-turningly obvious in this illegal immigrant mess - the worst elements of both parties get something out of not stopping it. Do the worst people in the two animal parties (elephant and jackass) like each other a lot more than they like us - is that it?
Not much, because Bush's inclination is still to pander to Latinos on the basis of coddling Illegal Immigration. But at least it's not worse. Looks to me like he had a solution to a neverending problem. Continue to waste money pursuing those who aren't going to be sent back anyway, or legalize them and seal the borders better.
OTH, It's better because Bush and the other pandering pols know that Americans are in no mood for their malfeasance on Illegals. Once in a while, they need to be reminded that they work for us, and serve at our pleasure.
In no mood, huh? So if Americans are so fed up I guess we've redoubled our efforts to keep them out in the first place. Oh we haven't? Oh well, maybe some day Americans will be truly fed up.
I've explained it to you already... Amnesties encourage more Illegals.
So since this proposal got defeated, border-crossing attempts have slackened off. Oh they haven't? Delayed reaction maybe.
Bush apparently wants to be part of the problem, rather than part of the solution.
Seems to me he had a solution. What's your solution?
Therefore, thwarting his attempted surrenders is now a necessary part of the solution.
Surrenders? Your guys are going to get tough? When are your guys, like Byrd and Tancredo, going to get tough? I won't hold my breath. I haven't seen them pushing through greater border protection. That's where the problem is, everything else is grandstanding.
Certainly not one that you'd settle for. My point is that we can't continue to allow vast regions of our country to be overrun by Illegals.
I agree. But what do we do with the ones that made it? We're not going to create a refugee problem sending millions back, so I guess you prefer to contine to foster hate toward them for the rest of their lives.
Tell you what, though... Start a campaign to have your state of Illinois boost it's population by 1.5 million Illegals, so that your numbers are proportional to California's, and then I'll at least concede your intellectual consistency.
I'm not for immigration. I think all immigration should be cut off now. But I'm a bit of a realist and know that the ones that are here aren't going to be sent home to starve. So there has to be a solution. You have no solution.
What happens to them across the border is Mexico's problem, not mine.
No, murder is murder. Knowingly and unnecessarily putting people in a position to die is murder. And the leaving of millions to die is a crime getting up there with those great 20th century atheists.
But we don't need to force millions at gunpoint... With Total Asset Forfeiture, a few hundred thousand will do.
So you don't want them all sent back? What do you want?
As for the rest... They Will Deport Themsleves Click the link!
Root, hog, or die huh? That's no solution. You're out there with the libertarians on the morality front.
Lincoln and the slaves? I fail to see your analogy.
Lincoln sent thousands of non-citizens to an Island in the Caribbean. Nice try but it didn't work. I don't blame him for trying, it looks like it would have worked, but it turned out too harsh and he had to retrieve them.
Eisenhower booted 1.3 million Illegals during "Operation Wet-back" in the 50s... Was there a sudden upsurge in the need for therapy for maldjusted Mexicans?
I don't know, was there? Why aren't your fine upstanding representatives proposing this instead of grandstanding the way they are?
Didn't that same "large number of people" leave their countries and come here rather suddenly?
No, not all at once. Plus, they came willingly, had the work ethic, and had a plan of survival. Not so with those forced to leave at gunpoint in large numbers.
Think before you post.
I have a solution. Yours is not based in reality, and if you think it is, why isn't your hero pushing it as much as he did his opposition to Bush. I'll tell you why, he was grandstanding.
I'm disenchanted by the fact that my state is overrun with Illegals, while obtuse Americans living North of the Mason-Dixon and East of the Mississippi have their heads in a place that ostriches wouldn't venture, and they feel mighty smug about it.
Not at all. Seal the borders. Eliminate several BS government programs to triple our investment to seal the borders. But the ones that are here aren't going anywhere because it's immoral to make millions leave at once. There has to be a solution besides hate towards these people. It's our fault they're here because we let them in through nonenforcement of our border laws. So they got lucky. Stuff happens. You certainly don't have a workable solution.
There is bipartisan malfeasance on this issue, and you're comfortable with it because the crisis hasn't reached your state.
You don't think Illinois has illegal aliens? LOL What are we going to do with them? Why aren't your representatives you've been worshipping like Byrd and Tancredo coming up with plans to send them back? Because they know it's impossible.
Oh wow... Truly an Amnesty Deniers' HoF post!
They're going to try to come no matter what. We have to stop them from coming. No one is willing to do that.
#3Fan, Illegals are encouraged to come by the fact that we don't keep them out, we let them stay, and often pay them to do so.
No, the reason they are encouraged to come is because it's so easy.
I realize Illinois is relatively far-removed from the problem, but that's no excuse for spouting patent nonsense.
Far removed? I think not.
If so, that only illustrates the point that on this matter, Bush might as well be a lib, because he's done squat to protect our borders from Illegals.
No, he has a solution to a never-ending problem for the ones that are here. The evidence that this problem is never-ending is that while your heros were loud in their criticism of Bush, they haven't uttered a peep as to a solution. We have to do something about the ones that are here. Do you really believe we're going to let them root, hog, or die. We didn't even let that happen in the 1800s with the slaves, it's not going to happen now.
You're OK with that, I'm not.
I want a solution. I see none from your side.
And the "Would you rather have Hillary?" retort is getting rather tired. I know the Democrats are corrupt on Illegals, I'm fighting against the GOP going down that road as well.
The Dems want as many as possible because they're easy to lie to. Why would Republicans want open borders, minorities don't vote for us and never will.
Are you prepared to give elections to the libs by pandering to Latinos on Illegal Immigration?
We're not pandering. We're offering a solution to a problem that's never-ending otherwise.
Quit acting as if Bush and the rest ot our party have no choice... They do. The have it in their power to do the right thing.
Why aren't your heros proposing anything then? They jumped on this issue to bash Bush and then ran like hell from it when it came time for a different solution.
But if Bush chooses surrender and pandering, my vote will be lost.
Like he ever had it. Let's see a solution from your hero Byrd.