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To: Phillip Augustus
Ah geez, a neo-con. Yep, we'll just have open borders, but we'll make sure to sure to insist on assimilation! That'll work, all right! And it's even more likely to work given Leftist, elitist control of all American cultural institutions- and a consequent message of contempt of America to immigrants and natives alike from those very institutions. Tell you what- please list the nation or peoples of a landmass who have, throughout history, VOLUNTARILY allowed themselves to become a minority in their own homeland? Has it ever happened? No? Then why do social engineering Leftists, and their neo-con allies insist that it happen in this day and age---but ONLY to European homelands and peoples?

As for your gratuitous and irrelevant comment on "miscegenation", laws against such are completely inappropriate in my mind, as I may be a paleo, but also a libertarian. But, since you brought it up, what in the world prompts you to call a Dutch-English birth "miscegenation"?

To begin with: nope, not a neo-con (ooo, that was a nasty slur!). Interesting how you define neo-con, though--anyone who is not anti-immigration? Next: comment on miscegenation--not gratuitous, nor irrelevant. Your comment about "Netherlands for the Dutch, etc." prompted it. Or how DO you define "Dutch" or "French"? By blood? By place of birth? If it's by place of birth, then you nullified your premise. If it's by blood, then the only way to maintain "Netherlands for the Dutch and France for the French, etc." is to not intermarry, n'est-ce pas? Logical consistency, my friend. Additionally, you call yourself libertarian? I think you will find that libertarians (yes, with a small "L") generally tend to favor immigration.

Just for the record, however, I don't disagree with Mr. Fortuyn on certain counts: non-assimilating Muslims are causing problems in many of their "host countries" (and no, I don't believe in cultural relativity, I do believe that American/Western civ is inherently superior to others, especially in its recognition of the concept of natural law, the Rights of Man and the dignity of the individual)--however, there would be no incentive for them to emigrate to these countries if the welfare state were not so "generous". Immigrants who are putting in 14-hour at the auto-body shop, busting their butts cleaning house and mowing lawns or 16-hour days in the fields are just too damn tired to plan terrorist attacks.

And, again, read up on your history: American culture is not static. The American Southwest has ALWAYS (let me repeat that, since it obviously is not getting through to many people) ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS been influenced by Hispanic culture, and California has ALWAYS been influenced by Asian culture. But what makes us Americans is not whether we eat Wonderbread rather than tortillas or pita bread (thank GOD for that), but a common belief in those basic principles outlined in the Constitution and the Declaration, the dignity of the individual and what constitutes civil society.

And a last general commentary... Every generation has its cultural scapegoat. Oh, those *insert one of the follwing here: the Irish, the Chinese, the Germans, the Poles, the Vietnamese...*, they're overwhelming our Anglo-Saxon culture. America will never survive their invasion! Well, history has proven this "conventional wisdom" wrong time after time. Dismantle the welfare state and teach American values and you have a much better answer. (But then, Paleos never could quite reconcile the concept of individual freedom with their desire to control individual's actions...)

66 posted on 05/13/2002 5:57:17 PM PDT by austinTparty
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To: austinTparty
But what makes us Americans is not whether we eat Wonderbread rather than tortillas or pita bread

Yes it is.

After all, Wonder Bread builds bones TWELVE WAYS, where the others do not.

84 posted on 05/14/2002 9:06:20 AM PDT by Lazamataz
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