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nralife

Posted on 05/12/2002 5:58:03 PM PDT by nralife

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To: Horace
We call these rights. If you think Buddha, Mary, or the Tooth Fairy has some other plan, I suggest taking it up with them.

I just think -- no, I'm certain -- that Thomas Jefferson was smarter than you. And if TJ wrote that the greatest rights were endowed by our Creator, I believe him.

Incidentally, the reason our country got off to such a great start is because all 56 signers of the Declaration believed in the Creator. Now we just have to protect it from the libertines and other such atheistic lice as yourself.

America's Fifth Column ... watch PBS documentary JIHAD! In America
Download 8 Mb zip file here (60 minute video)

41 posted on 05/12/2002 7:29:04 PM PDT by JCG
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To: Horace
Remember that old song-poem: "The Revolution won't be televised!" That is what happened here and is happening here.

The people who cherish the concepts of responsible liberty that inform and form up the Declaration and the Constitution/Bill of Rights/the original State constitutions are smarter, more wiley, subtle, and respect and fear the Law as much as they love Liberty. When things became set against us, that was only by the grace of making us understand more of what Liberty and Law are about, and how they relate, their dynamic. We have also been allowed in that process to size up our enemies, to make their measure, and G-d willing, to adapt and counter and counter them.

We have raised up our dear children, and taught among ourselves and while unseen and unheard in the light of the public and media gaze, our intellectual muscles have been allowed to grow, and we have worked hard for that growth.

While the Million Mom's marched and shreiked through their rolodexes and polished the Hollywood apple, we pondered, prepared and made ourselves ready.

We held our powder dry while many missles and shrapnel flew by our heads. We learned who was with us, who against us. We were graced to build up and honest humility and patience, without slacking in our persistence.

We needed not be great in appearance, just bound to truth, perseverance and love of liberty.

That was the revolution you have not seen, not been part of.

43 posted on 05/12/2002 7:39:42 PM PDT by bvw
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To: Horace
"Everybody hates the Kurds"

Whoaa there...you forgot about Miss Muffet and that "Spider on the Tuffett" incident (that eventually put an end to the tuffett business...can't even get 'em at Wal-Mart)

44 posted on 05/12/2002 7:48:39 PM PDT by capt. norm
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To: Horace
From the Book of Castigations, Chapter I, verses 1-6, Revealed unto Mortimer Snavely by the Prophet Horace.

1. The State giveth, the State taketh away. Blessed be the Name of the State. Buy more. Buy now. Buy more now. Spend, consume, improveth thou thy credit rating, and fret ye not, for the State knoweth the fall of a sparrow. How much more then, are ye of value unto the State than sparrows?

2. Yield thee then in blind obedience to arbitrary authority, for thou art property of the State, Whose goings to and comings from are a mystery unto thee.

3. Thou art unable to perceive that knowledge of which the State hath denied thee, and thou knowest not the slightest mote of the State's inwardness.

4. Therefore thou art blind, without understanding, like unto a brute beast unable to discern that which is good from that which is evil. Yield thee then, bend thou thy knee, and bear thou the yoke of involutary servitude unto thy Lord the State, so that all may belong unto all.

5. Even as the Heavens are higher than the Earth, so then the State's thoughts are beyond thy thoughts. Thou art naught but that which the State, in Its infinite and wonderous wisdom, permits thou to be.

6. Why gnasheth thou thine teeth and rendeth thou thine garments when thy Lord the State depriveth thee of thy life and liberty? It hath determined that thy happiness lieth not in thy service unto thyself, nay, that happiness lieth in thy service unto Itself. Therefore taketh thou thy pleasure in thy suffering and sacrifice, for that is all that is allowed man to achieve.

46 posted on 05/12/2002 7:52:29 PM PDT by Mortimer Snavely
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To: Mortimer Snavely
Nice job!
47 posted on 05/12/2002 7:59:19 PM PDT by Lazamataz
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To: Lazamataz
It lacked, I dunno, houdoyousay "Arbeit Macht Frei".

The German judge gives it an 8.5

48 posted on 05/12/2002 8:02:55 PM PDT by patton
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To: patton
The German judge gives it an 8.5

Bloody East Germans.

49 posted on 05/12/2002 8:04:30 PM PDT by Lazamataz
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To: claptrap
not to mention that law enforcement agents are probably the worst marksmen who ever walked the planet!
Heh! You've got that right.
50 posted on 05/12/2002 8:11:07 PM PDT by RebelDawg
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To: Horace
"People are bags of water."

The last time I ever heard anyone described as a bag of water was when V GER mentioned it in the first Star Trek movie.

51 posted on 05/12/2002 8:15:41 PM PDT by Shooter 2.5
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To: section9
If they had, you'd be a zek in some gulag somewhere.

Or a guard. Sounds like he'd rather enjoy that.

52 posted on 05/12/2002 8:33:16 PM PDT by absalom01
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To: Horace
Educate yourself on this issue and you'll see it differently. Read up a little on the history of "gun control", and its popularity with tyrants and dictators who had millions of their own people slaughtered. When you finally understand why our "Founding Fathers" felt it was important enough to put in the Bill of Rights, go out and get yourself a gun -- if it's not too late.
53 posted on 05/12/2002 8:51:06 PM PDT by GovernmentShrinker
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To: claptrap
law enforcement agents are probably the worst marksmen who ever walked the planet

That just means they'll hit your neighbor when they were aiming at you.

54 posted on 05/12/2002 8:53:12 PM PDT by GovernmentShrinker
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To: Horace
If people get sufficently ticked they'll revolt

Read up on the history of unarmed revolts against armed oppressors. See who won.

55 posted on 05/12/2002 8:55:52 PM PDT by GovernmentShrinker
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To: Horace
One doesn't have to believe in any supernatural origin of rights to recognize that the rule of law gets overwhelmingly better results than total lawlessness. The U.S. Constitution, 2nd Amendment and all, is the law.
56 posted on 05/12/2002 8:59:51 PM PDT by GovernmentShrinker
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To: nralife; all
So, did no one see the stinking 60 Minutes show??? ;)
57 posted on 05/12/2002 9:05:07 PM PDT by nralife
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To: nralife
Prob'ly, but Horace successfully hijacked this thread to his agenda.
58 posted on 05/13/2002 12:21:51 AM PDT by Swordmaker
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To: JCG
they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights....

There is a certain significance to the use of the word "unalienable" as opposed to "inalienable". Inalienable means something can't be taken away. Unalienable means it is so basic that it can't be taken or given away.

An unalienable right is so basic and fundamental that one can't give it away even if you try.

59 posted on 05/13/2002 7:38:47 AM PDT by TheErnFormerlyKnownAsBig
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To: Horace
My point was just to question those who use the term "right" as if it had some sort of supernatual signifigance. It doesn't, it only refers to what the society has decided. Society has clearly changed its mind about guns from where it was 200 years ago.

Good grief. So we have no inalienable rights, just whatever your neighbor decides is good for you, you must comply. Thanks but no thanks, I do not think this is the way America works, or at least we are not at this stage of anarchy yet that I can see.

If you had any idea about jurisdiction, you'd know that society's jurisdiction is limited in part by an individual's jurisdiction, including the usage of technology for basic self defense. Society's jurisdiction, or its cousin democracy, are also limited by republican values of separation of powers into 3 entities. It also separates discussions of jurisdiction interference from the jurisdiction of cults and classes of society. ANd it delineates what the relationship between the Federal, state, local and individual governance is to be, all having specific range of efficient powers and knowledge that are specific to their target cares. Even in marriage, the woman's local jurisdiction over children and maintaining the house is viewed to be inviolable by man's more cosmopolitan concerns. Of course it does not preclude the existence of prophetress, one of which, Ruth, was a prostitute of many husbands, I believe. Still, it makes salient the existence of jurisdictions that are axiomatic in and of themselves because all should be discussed at the jurisdictional level, but not at the emotional or picturesque cultist level many want to push through with so called welfare-for-identities ideals that only encourage the politization of cults and their violations of jurisdictions.

In fact the welfare Southern states received from the governance of slaves is just as intolerable as the welfare individuals receive today from the governance of the Feds. It is not society that decides those rights, but inalienable jurisdictions that are not supposed to buy territory and jurisdiction through welfare provisions, nor exploit other monetary jurisdictions for welfare benefits.

Gun control is just another distortion of the laws against chaos that any sane machiavelian state should adopt. It is obvious that gauging the unfortunate is allying oneself with chaos and is not favorable to life. Welfare pretends however to fight this evil by encouraging it, inducing people to take undue gambles and risks with the assurance a welfare net will rescue them.

Gun control is just another such encouragement of a reckless people who want to rely on a state armed protection welfare system. It is illegal socialism.

60 posted on 05/13/2002 8:06:02 AM PDT by lavaroise
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