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To: David Hunter
Well, since you live in the land of fish and chips and mass crime, here, learn a bit about your own country.

British appeal court quashes conviction after hearing of police torture
The British torture exports
British police adopting Soviet practices.
Report on torture and deaths in custady in British police Particularly look at the aspects to worry about: the number of deaths, unexplained of course, in British holding facilities. Like I said, clean up your own backyard before you come preaching to mine.

64 posted on 05/12/2002 7:32:39 PM PDT by Stavka2
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To: Stavka2
Again, you avoid the point. Putin is installing trail by jury, which you continously conveniently ignore. You site most things that were done under Yeltsin, especially right after the Soviet Union fell. As for pretrial detention...gee, let me see what other country does that...yup, the US of A. Go figure.

I am glad that Putin is installing trial by jury. But he must also permanently abolish the death penalty, it must go because there are so many innocent people on death row in Russia. He must also pass a specific law forbidding torture and reform the rights of Police detainees. Otherwise, juries will just be rubber stamping falsified evidence and confessions.

I certainly would not defend the USA's use of pretrial detention. I heard of an alleged paedophile, an innocent man, who was held in pretrial detention for 5 years!

As for the Serbian massacres, most were against the Serbs. Unlike you, I served as part of that peace keeping force in Bosnia and I saw the BS that the media and your liberal orgs do NOT report on. To unPC.

I agree that sometimes human rights organisations do not campaign against certain atrocities because it doesn't fit their agenda. Why don't you start your own campaign to publicise the things you witnessed that no one bothered to report?

British appeal court quashes conviction after hearing of police torture

The West Midlands Serious Crime Squad was disbanded in 1989 and it was disgrace. But as the article says:

'30 convictions have been overturned by the court of appeal. In another 19, the charges were dropped, the defendants acquitted or the judge directed not guilty verdicts.'

At least in Britain when the truth comes out, justice is generally done. I fear the same can not be said for Russia.

Another famous case of Police wickedness was the Guildford four trial, they were sentenced to life in the 70s for the Guildford pub bombing on the basis of confessions extracted under duress and falsified evidence. They were released after a successful appeal 14 years later, all apart from one man who tragically died in prison. However, in Russia at that time they would all have been executed, so you can hardly lecture us about justice.

The British torture exports

That is an old article. The British Government has clamped down on this disgusting trade. The taser was banned for export in July 1997 along with all electro-shock weapons, leg irons, gang chains and shackles. It was classified as "equipment used for torture". For more information on this see: Stun guns on UK torture list

The Metropolitan Police are buying tasers from the USA, in order to use them against people who would otherwise be shot. The USA and South Africa sell lots of stuff that can be used for torture to virtually anyone.

British police adopting Soviet practices

'Stop and Search' is an old policy that personally I disagree with, since there is no evidence that it aids crime detection or allows the Police to do anything but harass the ethnic minorities. But its not torture.

Report on torture and deaths in custody in British police

The RUC are mainly responsible for the ill treatment of criminal/terrorist suspects. Their methods are despicable and I regard them with contempt. However, I'm sure they could learn a lot from your FSB about torture methods. Northern Ireland is not a fair example of British Police conduct, its a bit like saying the Russian 'zachista' operations in Chechnya are representative of the behaviour of the average Russian Policeman.

As for torture in mainland British Police custody, if it is discovered it results in the immediate cessation of all criminal charges against the suspect. The Russian Police torture with impunity because they know they will not be punished and their victims will not be be able to prove they were tortured.

Compassion? This from a people that made it a policy to colonize by any means, including exiling for life anyone hungry enough to steal a loaf of bread. Don't preach, you Limes are hated across the world for the crap you did for 300 years, don't even get on that high horse.

You're making a mistake here, the colonialist Britain is dead and good riddance to it. One of the main priorities of my generation is to make sure that sort of wanton imperialism never surfaces again. The vast majority of modern British people condemn what the British Empire did and don't wish for it to be repeated ever. Its a shame you Russians can't adopt an anti-imperialist attitude. I suppose in a country where there are still the trappings of oligarchy that is quite difficult.

Its all very well blasting Britain for things that happened 50 or more years ago, but your country is doing equally horrific things right now, in the 21st century.

66 posted on 05/12/2002 9:58:55 PM PDT by David Hunter
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