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To: David Hunter
Danilov's trial was expected to start in late 2001.'

Oh, so you can't try people anymore? Is that it? So when the US tries Chineses American scientists it is a human rights violator? So you've proven with this case that the FSB is doing its job...where is the torture alligation here?

57 posted on 05/12/2002 11:07:52 AM PDT by Stavka2
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To: Stavka2
Oh, so you can't try people anymore? Is that it? So when the US tries Chinese American scientists it is a human rights violator? So you've proven with this case that the FSB is doing its job...where is the torture alligation here

In 1993 Grigory Pasko filmed a Russian naval tanker dumping radioactive waste and ammunition in the Sea of Japan. He also showed the threat to the environment caused by ships from Russia's decaying Pacific fleet.

Grigory Pasko was convicted on the basis of a secret military decree in a Vladivostok court in December 2001, and sentenced to four years in a labour camp. He was convicted at the behest of the FSB using a secret decree of the Russian Ministry of Defence. That defied a November 2001 ruling by the Russian Supreme Court to the effect that the Russian Constitution specifically forbids the use of secret decrees in criminal cases.

If the Russian government wants to get someone it won't allow the law to get in the way!

Another problem is the fact that in Russia people are commonly held in pre-trial detention, in appalling conditions, for very long periods. Dr Valentin Danilov has already spent a year in pre-trial detention and his is a high profile case. He has also had a heart attack while in pre-trial detention. I suppose as far as your concerned it would be cheaper if he just died, whether he is innocent or not.

Dmitri Nederovsky was a conscientious objector who wished to use his constitutional right to civilian service. He was also held in pre-trial detenion for a long period and he was beaten up regularly by the prison warders. Innocent people held in pre-trial detention have to put up with the same absymal conditions as convicted prisoners. In 1999, the official Russian human rights body found that 85,000 Russian prisoners have no beds, 91,000 have tuberculosis, 5,000 have AIDS.

Wouldn't you say that holding innocent people in pre-trial detention for years, in extremely overcrowded prisons with sadistic prison warders and prisoners who are suffering from dangerous and contagious diseases, is a form of torture?

Human Rights Watch...yes the Liberal's favorite tool...now aren't they busy right now screaming about the Jennin Massacres, as they've screamed at every slight alligation...like the Serbian massacres, but some how always failed to notice when Islamics or Socialists do any of the massacring? Yup, they're the same ones...the Berkly crowd.

Actually, HRW and Amnesty International do document atrocities by Islamic and Socialist governments.

I'm sure you find some of their campaigns irritating, being Russian and an Islamophobe I suppose you would have liked to have ignored the Serbian massacres.

... you should be cheering him on as he is in the process of enforcing new laws to force a trial by jury system.

But he still hasn't passed a specific criminal law forbidding the use of torture, even though the Russian Constitution forbids it. Nor has he reformed the Soviet era Police guidelines which allow the Police to cover up incidents of torture.

Even if they did have trial by jury, that would not help if a confession is presented to the court that was signed under torture. Also the COE asked him to revoke the death penalty, he has only temporarily halted it. Amnesty International estimates that a third of the people on death row in Russia are innocent and were made to sign a bogus confession under torture.

Ex-Moscow city court judge Sergei Pashin was basically fired in October 2000 for making liberal decisions, he had campaigned against numerous miscarriages of justice. Apparently, he was hated by most other judges because he dared to find defendants innocent. Therefore, they used an incident in which he gave a desperate woman his office telephone number during a radio phone-in program, as grounds to dismiss him.

In 2000, an orphan living under a staircase in Moscow was sentenced to 5 years in prison for stealing a pair of trousers and two jars of jam. What a compassionate people you Russians are!

As for the forced police confessions...start in your own backyard...last I checked, it was pretty much standard policy in most American police departments and has caused quite a few people to be stuck on death row.

As I told you last week I am English, so I don't have much knowledge about the US justice system. However, I have no doubt that the US justice system allows Americans to stand up for their rights far better than the Russian system does. Hence, I have more faith in the US prosecuting their Police for torture than in the Russian 'justice' system doing likewise.

Britain doesn't have the death penalty any more, thank goodness, and accusations of Police torture are taken very seriously. The British Armed Forces are one of the few Armed Forces that have undertaken not to torture people under any circumstances. Britain's military has led the way in developing methods of deception and psychological conditioning that mean torture of enemy soldiers is not required. The Russian military, on the other hand, use torture with impunity and I've heard that the officers also practise their latest torture methods on their own conscript soliders.

61 posted on 05/12/2002 6:42:20 PM PDT by David Hunter
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