[Chad Fairbanks]

I still don't understand why urine and hair tests have not been struck down as unconstitutional - we have a constitutional right to not incriminate ourselves... Yet, they are free to use our hair and urine (collected from us, not as 'evidence' left at a crime scene) But, I'm just an average Joe, so what the hell do I know??? :0)

[tututango]

That's a very profound point about not incriminating ourselves by providing samples from our own bodies

[EBUCK]

The only UA's I've taken were voluntary. I wanted the job so I took the pee test to prove my cleanliness. The only forceable citizens (legally forceable) are minors and felons I imagine. You do have the right against self incrimination so don't do the test if you don't want to or don't need the job.

What sticks in my craw is the implied consent rule we have here in Oregon. After getting pulled over the officer can request you take a breathalizer test. If you refuse (to incriminate yourself) you lose your lic. for 90 days.

EBUCK