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The Israeli "art student" mystery
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Posted on 05/08/2002 11:12:15 AM PDT by VinnyTex

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To: Southern Federalist
I used Trotsky merely as an example. There are many more, including two who are hiding in Israel right now: Nachman Dushanski and Solomon Morel.Both are wanted for crimes against humanity. Israel refuses to turn them over for trial. The papers of Stalin's favorite propagandist, Ilya Ehrenburg, were given to the Israeli Yad Vashem 'Holocaust' Museum. Stalin's favorite still photographer,Yevgeny Khaldei, was recently honored at San Francisco’s Jewish Museum.

Yes Southern, there does seem to be problems here. A denial of history, a refusal to ever admit anything, a coldness to the victims and a huge double standard. All in all, not a pretty sight.

141 posted on 05/09/2002 10:26:26 PM PDT by LarryLied
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To: LarryLied
Larry, stop being an idiot. There ARE Conservative Jews, who voted for Reagan, both Bushes, and father vback, supported and voted for Republicans, whilst many FREEPERS and their families, were voting for damned Dems !

No, Larry , I'm not a Jewess ; however , your continued anit-Semitic slanders , are getting to be more than one can take. Your abject lack of knowlege concerning factually correct, historical European information, is giving me a headache. Tell me, dear, was it Jewish Trotskyite support, which made the French expell the Jews, in the 13th century ? What about the Dryfuss Affair ? Inquiring minds want to know.

142 posted on 05/09/2002 10:29:28 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: nopardons
Give me a break. The antisemitism card is wearing thin. No, it is worn out. So far, the Pope, Norwegians, French, Brits, Americans, Germans, all of Europe, Christians, Billy Graham, William F. Buckley and God knows who else have been smeared with it or a version of it on this forum.

I suggest you read the history of the Soviet Block. Everything I say is factual. I would not even bother brining it up (I never did the previous 3 and a half years I have been on FR) if there were not so many revisionist historians wandering around this forum smearing, intimidating and trying to shut people up.

Voting patterns are there for all to see. There is no debate about it. I don't know why some are so ashamed of it. Black conservatives don't have a problem when the voting patterns of blacks are discussed on this forum.

If I went after Dennis Prager, Mark Levin, David Horowitz and Iliana Ros Lehtinen your claim might have some validity. But I don't go after them. I've posted what they wrote, bumped their posts and support all of them 100%. So where does that leave you? Nowhere. Just playing the antisemite card the same way Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson play the race card.

143 posted on 05/09/2002 11:07:55 PM PDT by LarryLied
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To: LarryLied
You and your ADL buddies sure have fun on FR don't you? Dossiers and everything. What is the game plan? To drive off as many conservatives as you can before the election?

Yes, Larry, we co-opted gentile agents of the Elders of Zion have this wierd idea that people can be called to account for the bilge they pump out. It's one of those Jewish ideas called "responsibility." It's just used to corrupt the goyim but apparently we haven't gotten very far with you.

But Larry, Larry, Larry, surely you know that our "game plan" is much, much bigger than merely driving you and your buds off FR. No, Larry, our goal is WORLD DOMINATION and next to that, just silencing the odd (and I do mean odd) bold and honest protester on an internet discussion board is pretty small potatoes.

You see, in the end, it's your SOUL we want, however hard it may be to find. And we've already started with you, though you don't know it. Last time you went to the dentist - yes, he works for us - we planted microscopic radio transmitters in your molars which are constantly bombarding you 24-7 with Zionist propaganda. And the guy who worked on your TV - another one of ours, Larry - altered your television so that the Israeli flag flashes across your screen every fifteen seconds too rapidly to discern, but it still has its effect.

You see, we're everywhere, Larry. I'm sure you already know about fluoridation. But it goes beyond that. You know those old LP's you treasure so much? Run 'em backwards and they ALL play "Hava Nagila." Except for the ones that have the greatest speeches of Golda Meir.

You see, Larry, we don't need to drive you off FR. It's only a matter of time. One day soon - sooner than you think - you'll find yourself clipping pictures of Ariel Sharon from the paper and taping them up by your computer. You'll find yourself doodling the Star of David. And someday someone will tell you an urban legend about Israeli wickedness and you'll hear a little voice inside whispering, "Larry, Larry, it's a bunch of bullhockey." Just you wait. I bet you already eat bagels....

144 posted on 05/09/2002 11:17:24 PM PDT by Southern Federalist
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To: LarryLied
Larry, you and I go back a long way. Please stop this cop out.

You claim that the French hated the Jews, in the 1930's because they were Trotskyites. The French have ALWAYS been anti-Semitic. They have also, as a nation and as a government , HATED any nonCatholic. Heck, the've even hated some French Catholics ; but, that's besides the point. Look at the expolsion of ALL of French Jewry, in the 13th century, the Dryfuss Affair, the St. Bartholimew ( sp ? ) Massacre, what haened to the Cathars, and even Mata Hari ! These paltry few examples prove MY point, far better, than your claim of " Trotskyite " lovers. Most European countries have a very long history of anti-Semitism. As you say, why be ashamed of it / why claim it false, when it is so easily proven to be factual ?

145 posted on 05/09/2002 11:59:33 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: Southern Federalist
CONGRATULATIONS ! That was one of THE ost inspired, brilliantly written posts, that I have EVER, in 4 uears, seen on FR ! I am still laughing my socks off, as I write this to you . BRAVO ! NP
146 posted on 05/10/2002 12:03:29 AM PDT by nopardons
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To: nopardons
The conflict has been simmering and the breaking out in violence for centuries. It blew up after the Russian revolution. Early writings such as this, 1917, a reign of terror unleashed in Hungary by Bela Kun and the second communist government in history followed by genocide in the Ukraine terrified Europe. The Christian establishment was threatened. Vichy France was, partly, a reaction to the horrors of communism. America shares blame here too. Wilson screwed up WWI and the peace. The establishment was so weakened, fascists and communists (they worked together in the early days) were able to bring down the German Republic.

Notice how the personal attacks on me worked? By bringing what I said on another thread onto this one (against forum protocol) the topic is no longer the Israeli "art students" but me.

147 posted on 05/10/2002 12:44:37 AM PDT by LarryLied
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To: LarryLied
Actually, I'm sorry that I fell into that trap. I absoltely HATE it, when threads go off topoc and rail about that all of the time ! Ditto , for the bringing fights, from one thread, onto another one/s.

That being said ; however , you are deadly WRONG about Hungary ! Hungary was NEVER anti-Semitic . Go back millenia, and the populace hasn't been anti-Semitic. As a matter of fact, the Magyars, spent time amongst the Khazars ( sp ? ) , before they even made it into what is now known as Hungary and many Jews went with them. Jews were NOT segregated, sent into a " Pale " / ghetto, refused land ownership, any profession ( not even in the Army , where many of them rose steadily in the ranks and were officers ! ) , nor proscribed in any way, shape, manner, or form. Please do NOT try to expound on Hungary, when there are fellow FREEPERS, who can and will refute you and do so soundly ! Magyars did NOT turn against Hngarian Jewry, because of Bella Khun. Where, on earth, did you get that bit of distorted , rewritten piece of historical nonfact from ?

148 posted on 05/10/2002 1:33:43 AM PDT by nopardons
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To: Southern Federalist;LarryLied
139 and 144, excellent posts. You characterize the mindset well.

Larry, Southern Federalist knows you well. I don't have to add much.

Now's where you go ADL, Simon Wiesenthal, ACLU, UCLA, blah blah blah, yip yip yip, yap yap yap.

153 posted on 05/10/2002 7:45:35 AM PDT by SJackson
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To: Southern Federalist
Great posts. And it looks like some anti-Israel pests were sent packing. Keep up the excellent posts by the way. Mighty fine reading, and you tend to bury the opposition.
154 posted on 05/10/2002 7:51:59 AM PDT by vance
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To: SJackson;nopardons
Now's where you go ADL, Simon Wiesenthal, ACLU, UCLA, blah blah blah, yip yip yip, yap yap yap.

Big admirer of those groups are you? Not a very conservative attitude.

nopardons...the terror of the second communist government in history did not go unnoticed in Europe. It was very clear to everyone that the goal of communism in Hungary and elsewhere was the destruction of Christianity.

Btw.."antisemitism" today and in America is simply a cover just as "racism" and "homophobia" are. Look at the groups above who use the slander as a political weapon. They are on the the same liberal page as the NAACP and GLSEN.

155 posted on 05/10/2002 8:12:33 AM PDT by LarryLied
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To: SJackson, larryLied, nopardons
GEORGE W. BUSH speaks at the Wiesenthal Center.

LAURA BUSH...Helps Launch the 2nd Annual "Close The Book On Hate" Campaign Co-Sponsored by ADL.

Ariel Sharon, COLIN POWELL, FBI Director ROBERT MUELLER Address ADL Conference

Looks like Mr. Lied is the one out of step with Conservatives.

156 posted on 05/10/2002 8:23:05 AM PDT by veronica
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To: LarryLied
Big admirer of those groups are you? Not a very conservative attitude.... It was very clear to everyone that the goal of communism in Hungary and elsewhere was the destruction of Christianity.

LL, you know there are no Jewish conservatives here, we're all liberal disruptors in conservative drag or Mossad agents. And LL, we all know communism was a Jewish plot to control the world and destroy Christianity. You've explained all this before. If I forget it, I'll hop over to JewWatch or NatVan and refresh my memory.

You despoil the memory of the millions who died under the yoke of communism worldwide, just as you've attempted to do on this board to Jewish victims of the Holocaust, all in an attempt to advance your message of hate. You're despicable.

Your turn, yip yip, yap yap, link link, UCLA, NAACP, GLSEN. Blah blah blah.

157 posted on 05/10/2002 8:36:52 AM PDT by SJackson
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To: veronica
Looks like Mr. Lied is the one out of step with Conservatives.

Only conservatives?

158 posted on 05/10/2002 8:38:21 AM PDT by SJackson
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To: SJackson
Only conservatives?

Best not feed me straight lines like that. I might tee off on them and get in trouble. Hehehe.

159 posted on 05/10/2002 8:41:35 AM PDT by veronica
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To: LarryLied
Don't you dare try to tell me what " European perceptions " were about the Jews ; especialy NOT in Hungary ! I ask, yet again : WHERE DID YU GE THE INFO FROM ?

Where YOU living there back then ; have relatives , in Hungary, who have told you ? If not, then what book/s source this data ? I had family living in Hungary ( until WW II and 1956 ... not since the latter date, that I know of ) and have a great number of books about Hungary / Hungarian history. Through personal annecdotal history ( family & friends of the family ) , as well as through well respected authors, your " facts " have been thoroughly and utterly refuted. Oh, and before you want to tell me abot the very few who were anti-Semitic there, ever , yes, there were some; just as there were / are the same ( if not more ) here in America. It was NOT ; however , state instituted, nor even common place, in Hungary, as it was for millenia, in other European countries ! You paint with fallacious and spurious words AND too damned broad a brush .

Either quote from and tell me your sources, or stop trying to talk about things that exist ONLY in your own mind !

Here's a little factoid for you , dear ... Before WW II , Budapest , had one of THE largest and wealthiest Jewish Temples in ALL the world, which was the rival of any MAJOR Catholic cathedral ; not to mention the many other Jewish houses of worship in that city and throughout the country. Yeah, right, that's because Hungary was oh sooooooooooooooo anti-Semitic ! ( / sarcasm )

The above info ( mius my sarcastic remark ) comes directly from a 1925 Baedeker's suggestions on things to see and descriptions of IMPORTANT / interesting landmarks, in Budapest. Put THAT in the pipe you're smoking and making you hallucinate.

160 posted on 05/10/2002 3:00:26 PM PDT by nopardons
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