Posted on 05/08/2002 9:17:51 AM PDT by Korth
There is another former left coaster, raised in the dyank gummint disinformation farms called "publik schules" who had his epiphany years ago and then sat down and connected the dots in much the same manner that Metcalfe has done. His name is Greg Loren Durand and his opus explains EXACTLY what Metcalf and others need to know.
That opus is AMERICA'S CAESAR.
Mr. Metcalf you have had the brass to interview, Devvy Kidd, Joseph Bannister, Bob Schulz and Tom DiLorenzo. Please keep the skeer on these pigs and interview Greg Durand next!
We may yet save this nation.
Which brings up an interesting question. When exactly did VA and NC, along with the other states to join the Confederacy later, decide to join? And exactly why was it they joined again? Something lincoln had done, it just alludes me at the moment....
As an abstract proposition, I don't care about pax americana; I would not have sacrificed hundreds of thousands of American lives in WWI, Korea, Vietnam and other lower cost ventures. The cold war was an ultimate outgrowth of the failed internationalist policies of Woodrow Wilson; Truman could have ordered the eighth army to march down the autobahn to Berlin in 1948 and and avoided the whole thing. Hitler and WWII were an outgrowth of Wilson's policy errors in initiating our involvement in WWI.
The constitution as a religious document? It ought to operate as a contract among the assembled states setting forth the terms on which we are assembled. The flow of circumstances may well have exactly that result. There is a widening gap among the priorities of the various states to which some are likely to wake up in the not far distant future.
The defense of Maryland required invasion of constitutional rights only because Lincoln started the war in the first place. Sure, in the event of attack by foreign enemy we may need to override in the interest of national security--I view Lincoln's abrogation of the Constitution to be far broader than necessary.
The money system? I don't see any real need for any national (or state for that matter) money system not tied directly (as opposed to through a resrve ratio system) to a specie value. To the contrary, our existing system is a continuing threat to the existence of the republic.
THANK YOU MR. METCALF!
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FROM THE INTERVIEW:
When I interviewed DiLorenzo I told him he had provided me with an epiphany. I have frequently noted that when the framers were forming the republic, Jefferson and Hamilton had a long series of debates. Jefferson was arguing for states' rights, and Hamilton wanted a big federal bureaucracy like we have now. Historically, Jefferson won the debate.
I have been trying to figure out at what point in our history Jefferson lost. I used to think it was inertia building until 1913, and then FDR. But actually, Lincoln should get the credit for defeating Jefferson for Hamilton.
AMEN!
In other words Lincoln was using Clintonian verbiage carefully qualifying the definition of what "is" is.
A POINT I HAVE BEEN MAKING FOR YEARS ON FR!
APE WAS THE KLINK OF HIS ERA!
DiLorenzo and Ferrier are academics and scholars. I am not. However, a lot of the things Lincoln did were specifically designed to abrogate, eviscerate and destroy the very document to which he swore an oath. For Ferrier and company to say, "Well, gosh, the other guys were doing it too," is not an adequate defense.
HERE HERE MR METCALF!!!
Most of the people on this forum know NEVER to trust a democrap.
I just want them to know, from your own words, that you are one.
Cheers!
PINKO ALERT
Do these people know how you and your fellow travelers vote?
Here is your reply to Leesylvanian from another thread:
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Leesylvanian:
Keep in mind when dealing with WP that you're dealing with a man who favors the government's rights/authority over those of the people. He voted for Clinton twice. 'Nuff said!
Wlat (WhiskeyPapa):
Well, I've never said I voted for Clinton twice, so I am glad you will be glad to post a retraction.What I said was that I had never voted for a Republican presidential candidate. I voted for John Anderson in 1980. In '84 I voted Democratic. Same in '88. In '92 I DID vote for Clinton, although I was for Perot until he went batty. In'96 I didn't vote. In '00, I did vote for Al Gore. --Walt
780 posted on 2/28/02 10:49 AM Pacific by WhiskeyPapa
Hey quit picking on Wlat's (WhiskeyPapa the socialist's) buddy!
Here is what Kuntsler has to say about it; expect the worm to squirm!:
"North Carolina went to war reluctantly, but few states did more to defend the South than the citizens and soldiers of the Tar Heel state. At first, they watched sadly and sympathetically as one southern state after another seceded. Only after Abraham Lincoln issued a call for 75,000 volunteers to invade the South did North Carolina secede from the Union. The Carolinians would not allow northern troops to cross their borders for the purpose of making war on fellow Southerners." --Mort Kunstler
And what makes you think it is going to. We sure as hell haven't see it yet.
Precisely. No war until states ACTUALLY seceded!
Before secession, they were part of the whole, and had recourse within the Fed. After, war was not only an option, but the best option.
Unfortunately it wasn't. If you read the northern papers of the day, before lincoln shut them down illegally and immediately prior to the war, most editorials were in favor of letting the South go. However, after the attack at Charleston, the cry came specifically for regaining the monies lost at the Charleston port. Now contrary to the belief of some around here, documentation clearly shows that the north relied on the monies from Southern ports. Not suprisingly, the loudest call for war in the lincoln cabinet was from none other than Sam Chase, the Secretary of the Treasury and the head honcho over how the tariff money was spent
This is your idea of peace?
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