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This would have changed history. They wouldn't have won, and would have probably been weakened and unable to start WWI. And some Austrian named Adolf would have been an unknown painter...
1 posted on 05/08/2002 6:19:40 AM PDT by Koblenz
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To: Koblenz
Well, they were only a few generations away from the first German invasion of NYC--during the Revolutionary War. Thousands of Hessians accompanied Howe and Cornwallis when they invaded Brooklyn from Staten Island and landed at Gravesend. The Battle of Brooklyn ensued (August, 1776) and they kicked Patriot butt.

Then, the Hessians invaded Manhattan from across the east River and landed at Kip's Bay (present day 34th Street and First Ave. The Brits and their Hessian allies held New York City for the entire war after that and did not leave until 1783. So you see, this is not as unusual as it seems.

2 posted on 05/08/2002 6:30:28 AM PDT by Pharmboy
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To: Koblenz
"Over? Did you say "over"? Nothing is over until we decide it is! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no!"
4 posted on 05/08/2002 6:39:01 AM PDT by mhking
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To: Koblenz
Yeah, but what I want to know is--does the United Stateshave a plan for invading New York?
6 posted on 05/08/2002 6:40:51 AM PDT by LaBelleDameSansMerci
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To: Koblenz
Sad to say but an invading German army might have suceeded in capturing many eastern seaboard cities in 1900. Only a few years earlier there was serious concern that the Spanish fleet in Cuba might have shelled US cities on the east and Gulf coasts. US military strength at the time was quite low and the Navy had not yet started a serious build up in capital ships.

However, a German invasion may well have met with serious guerilla warfare as its army attempted to move inland.

7 posted on 05/08/2002 6:43:28 AM PDT by The Great RJ
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To: Koblenz
I think it's kinda funny that Washington DC doesn't figure into these old attack plans at all. I would think Fairfax VA, SFO or LA would be equally important targets as Boston, too, now, being hubs of technology expertise. And what about all those programmers in India? :-))
8 posted on 05/08/2002 6:43:33 AM PDT by LurkedLongEnough
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To: Koblenz
Looks like present-day terrorists resurrected von Mantey's plan....
10 posted on 05/08/2002 6:44:50 AM PDT by stainlessbanner
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To: Koblenz
"Beginning in 1897, a German navy lieutenant named Eberhard von Mantey was assigned the task of preparing an invasion of the United States..."

So they assigned a LT to prepare the invasion plans of the United States? Either this is not correct, or we see why Wilhelm's 'empire' didn't get very far.

16 posted on 05/08/2002 6:59:05 AM PDT by fogarty
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To: Koblenz
"One plan foresaw a force of 100,000 soldiers transported across the Atlantic on 60 ships."

THAT would NEVER work. The cruise terminals on the west side of Manhattan couldn't hold that many ships at once, and the nightmare of processing 100,000 Germans thru Customs and Immigration would take for-EVER. Just the Duty-Free hassles would make it a nightmare. Can you see the Customs Declaration Forms for all those weapons and ammo?

And then imagine all 100,000 Germans trying to exit the terminals. Why, back in 1900, the taxi service, difficult as it is to imagine, was actually WORSE than it is today.

Nope, the German Army would have bogged down just trying to get thru customs at the cruise terminals.

No wonder they abandoned the plan.

Michael

17 posted on 05/08/2002 7:06:11 AM PDT by Wright is right!
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To: Koblenz
The Royal Navy would have had something to say about it.

Fun for speculation though.

18 posted on 05/08/2002 7:17:50 AM PDT by Snake65
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To: Koblenz
Geez, Die Zeit thinks they're "breaking" this story? The major media is pretty laughable.

Mantey's plan for an American attack has been well known for YEARS. I've read "The Weltpolitik of Wilhelm II and the United States" in the Library of Congress about 4-5 years ago, which has all the details of Mantey's plan.

I'm a wargamer, have played around with setting this up as a naval scenario. The naval forces are actually quite well balanced in terms of pre-dreadnoughts in the 1900-1905 period. (Americans a pretty short on cruisers and scouting forces, because Congress only budgeted for the big ships.) But the Americans have the advantage of defending. Interesting contrast in ships as the Germans went with smaller, quick-firing guns on their pre-dreadnoughts while the Americans had larger guns with a slow rate of fire.

If you read the various quotes and statements, there actually was quite a bit of ill-feeling on both sides towards each other....a German fleet had hung around the Phillipines hoping to pick up scraps from the Spanish during the Spanish-American war, and had been directly threatened by Dewey, and the Germans had wanted Samoa too.

I have little doubt the land invasion would have failed miserably eventually, as they were overwhelmed by hordes of enthusiastic and fired-up, if ill-trained, volunteers and draftees.

As others have noted, having a "plan" for something isn't that big a deal, though to non-military media types it seems like it is. The current US military, I'm sure, has a "plan" for invading every single country in the world. And the fact that this plan was done by a lowly Lt. should tell you something. It was a BIT more serious than an idle War College excersise, but FAR less serious than a plan developed by Admirals and Generals.

19 posted on 05/08/2002 7:18:09 AM PDT by John H K
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To: Koblenz
The US Navy was no pushover then. We just got through whooping Spain and had a fairly significant fleet.
21 posted on 05/08/2002 7:23:25 AM PDT by AppyPappy
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To: Koblenz
I wonder if China has similar plans? They could set off their prepositioned nukes just as the invasion was happening. You could cram lot of soldiers into the giant container and super tankers and who would know what was in them till they debarked at New York or Los Angeles? Also, they could come in through Mexico and Canada. How many of the Chinese students here aren't also reservists? I know it sounds crazy but crazier things have happened.
24 posted on 05/08/2002 7:29:20 AM PDT by Eternal_Bear
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