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To: Who is John Galt?
"Certain States from local and occasional discontents might attempt to secede from the Union."[A statement that you attribute to Jefferson in 1804]

Why do suppose Jefferson used the words "attempt to secede" if it was clearly understood by all at that time that states possessed a constitutional right to unilaterally secede at any time that they wished.

It certainly appears that Mr. Jefferson never conceived of the idea of maintaining the union by force of arms.

I don't draw that inference from any of the quotes that you provided.

"Solution" to what? Once again, you appear to be presenting a ‘straw man’ argument, or putting words in my mouth. Neither activity is very worthwhile.

I owe you an apology on that count. For some reason, I had thought that you were interested in the propriety of "secession" because you thought that it might provide an avenue for future change of some sort. I didn't realize that it was just an academic exercise on your part. I take full responsibility for that misunderstanding. Sorry.

152 posted on 05/17/2002 3:46:49 PM PDT by ned
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To: ned
Why do suppose Jefferson used the words "attempt to secede" if it was clearly understood by all at that time that states possessed a constitutional right to unilaterally secede at any time that they wished.

Better yet, why do you ignore the sentence which follows?

”Certain States from local and occasional discontents might attempt to secede from the Union. This is certainly possible; and would be befriended by this regular organization [of the Union into States].”

“Why do suppose Jefferson used the words ‘this is certainly possible; and would be befriended by this regular organization [of the Union into States]’ if it was clearly understood by all at that time that states” could NOT secede?

;>)

WIJG: “It certainly appears that Mr. Jefferson never conceived of the idea of maintaining the union by force of arms.”

ned: I don't draw that inference from any of the quotes that you provided.

Not “from any of the quotes...provided?” Here’s one example:

"Should... schism be pushed to separation, it will be for a short term only; two or three years' trial will bring them back, like quarreling lovers, to renewed embraces and increased affections. The experiment of separation would soon prove to both that they had mutually miscalculated their best interests..."

Are you married? Do you really associate “quarreling lovers” with “force of arms?” Or perhaps you thought Mr. Jefferson said:

‘"Should... schism be pushed to separation, it will be for a short term only; two or three years' OF BLOODY INTERNECINE WARFARE will bring them back, like CONQUERED PROVINCES, to renewed SUBJUGATION and increased POLITICAL DOMINATION. The UNCONSTITUTIONAL ACT of separation would soon prove to THE DEFEATED STATES that they had UNILATERALLY miscalculated their best interests..."

Given your biases, the mistake is certainly understandable...

;>)

159 posted on 05/18/2002 10:44:38 AM PDT by Who is John Galt?
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