[independentmind]

The collapse of marriage is not the result of feminism, but the cause of it. Without lasting marriages, women have no real guarantee of security, and no reason for trusting men. If men cannot be trusted, then women have to set up on their own.

This is a point that the Catholic Church has made repeatedly. It's something that all FReepers should remember the next time they start grousing about feminazis and such. How many times has Rush Limbaugh been married anyway?

[Tomalak]

While I have known some Wiccans who are pro-life FOR THEMSELVES, thier view is not so cut and dry as "do no harm". In fact, I can think of a few sites where Pagan/Wiccan are justifying abortion as "degrees" of do no harm.

Right. And being "personally opposed but pro-choice" is despicable hypocrisy. You either believe babies have the right to life or they don't. If they do, then no one has the right to take that life away without breaking the law. If they don't, then there is no sense in limiting yourself, when clearly they deserve no such thing.

[Tribune7]

Good point