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To: Big Bunyip
Of course, you may be right about the social disadvantages of denying God. But you can never prove it nor suport the contention, except by citing your highly subjective conviction that all good things flow from God.

Some truths are self-evident.

If you genuinely believe that, then you must be a dualist (which I doubt you are) because, by logical extension, all bad things must flow from somewhere else, which would make Old Scratch co-equal with God. It's an interesting theological point to argue, but essentially irrelevant.

In this you are correct; I am no dualist. I'm not quite sure what the rest of your statement means. Perhaps I am slow of mind at 3 am, or perhaps you are being obtuse. I will leave that for others to judge.

Societies that deny free speech and property rights, on the other hand, have long, indeed inevitable, records of despotism, decay and disintegration. Such is the demonstrable result of denying liberty. God makes a pleasant neighbor, but property rights make the neighborhood in the first place.

Again, it is my contention that you are putting the cart before the horse. True freedom flows when the True God is trusted and relied upon. Those who willfully deny Him, and thrust him away, at the same moment thrust away all of His blessings...one of the first of which is freedom.

I will post one bit of scripture to back up this contention...a passage I believe to be utterly correct, and explanatory of much of the misery caused by unbelieving men, particularly in the past century:

"Where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty."

118 posted on 05/05/2002 1:22:58 AM PDT by EternalVigilance
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To: EternalVigilance
"Again, it is my contention that you are putting the cart before the horse. True freedom flows when the True God is trusted and relied upon. Those who willfully deny Him, and thrust him away, at the same moment thrust away all of His blessings...one of the first of which is freedom. "

Absolutely correct.

144 posted on 05/05/2002 5:19:47 AM PDT by Freedom'sWorthIt
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