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Musashi on Strategy
Personal Archives | 05-03-02 | PsyOP

Posted on 05/03/2002 11:03:35 PM PDT by PsyOp

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To: Howie66
You're a good man.....for an Army Puke! LOL

High praise indeed... and from a Jar-Head no less. I Am Honored! I am humbled <;-]

21 posted on 05/04/2002 11:42:43 AM PDT by PsyOp
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To: sleavelessinseattle
I can't believe that's all there was!

Musashi's Book is not very long. And while there is more quoatable material in it, I was concentrating on the more military related ones.

22 posted on 05/04/2002 11:46:28 AM PDT by PsyOp
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To: The Bored One
anything else you suggest before I hit buy??

I would suggest Clausewitz's On War. Be sure though that you are buying a book that is his complete text. There are several books out there there that are simply analysis of his works as opposed to his comlete text of On War. On the other hand, they also include writings from his many letters and military articles.

I would also include Machiavelli's Prince. It is a good compliment to Clausewitz's take on politics as war.

And then there is Patton. He did not publish any books while he lived, but there compilations of his many letters, published military orders, and diaries. One called War As I Knew It, was published by his wife a few years after the war. A much more complete work The Patton Papers (two vols.) is also available.

23 posted on 05/04/2002 11:59:49 AM PDT by PsyOp
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To: semper_libertas
Here are some more.

Thanks!

24 posted on 05/04/2002 12:00:59 PM PDT by PsyOp
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To: sleavelessinseattle
F'ing MARINES, BABY! HOOAH!!

"If the enemy remains spirited it is difficult to crush him..." - Miyamoto Musashi.

25 posted on 05/04/2002 12:03:21 PM PDT by PsyOp
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To: PsyOp;2Trievers;psyops; Colorado Tanker; Libertina; pissed off janitor; happygrl;Dennisw...
Pinging the troops! Your editorial acumen is, as always, without peer, Psyops.
26 posted on 05/04/2002 12:07:46 PM PDT by sleavelessinseattle
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To: Kermit
Using these principles, how would you analyze the Afghan campaign.

I think you would find that we and the British are keeping most of these principles in mind with regard to these operations. Keep in mind though, that Musashi's principles are those of single combat for the most part. The Warrior as an individual with complete freedom of action.

In Afghanistan, it would be more appropriate to apply Clausewitz - War is nothing more than the continuation of politics by other means. Wherein politics decide strategy as much as military necessity. As distasteful as that fact often is, leading as it does to doing, or not doing, things that pure military strategy would dictate, politics and war are often insepparable.

Philosphies of military strategy can be roughly divided into two categories. The first would be those that apply to single combat or small unit actions, like Musashi. The second are those that apply to the conduct of wars in the larger sense, like Clausewitz. A big mistake I see made rather frequently is when someone criticizes our military strategy with valid, but mis-applied quotes and maxims, as if all could be applied universally in all cases.

27 posted on 05/04/2002 12:25:11 PM PDT by PsyOp
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To: PsyOp
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There are two different view point on military strategy. One is that of a warrior, whose ultimate purpose is to win a glorious victory in a war. Certain warrior mores and mentality find their ways into their strategy. Its objective is to set up a one great victorious war.

On the other hand, the other is that of a ruler, who rules over his domain. In this case, it matters less on how glorious the win is as long as his army wins. He does not have to win a war if he can do it in other means. Or avoid it and still prevail. In this point of view, military strategy becomes combination of intelligence, sabotage, PsyOp, geopolitics, management of war materials, and actual fighting strategy itself. Sun-Tzu belongs to this group. His strategy is to deliver a (not necessarily military) victory in most efficient manner, which sometimes is not compatible to warrior ethos.

I am not sure where I should place Clausewicz. He is between the these two poles, leaning closer to warrior ethos according to my guess.

28 posted on 05/04/2002 12:49:33 PM PDT by TigerLikesRooster
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To: sleavelessinseattle
bttt.
30 posted on 05/04/2002 2:49:14 PM PDT by patriciaruth
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To: semper_libertas
There are maxims from all of the great military strategists that will apply over there. The trick is figuring which one will best apply to the given sets of circumstances at any one time. Or any number of variations on a theme. Millitary maxims are generalizations that may apply 80 to 90 percent of the time, but which must be disregarded or modified when special circumstances interject an influence not taken into account by their author.

"Principles and opinions can seldom reduce the path of reason to a simple line. As in all practical matters, a certain latitude always remains." - Karl von Clausewitz, On War, 1832.

31 posted on 05/04/2002 5:31:00 PM PDT by PsyOp
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To: TigerLikesRooster
I am not sure where I should place Clausewicz. He is between the these two poles, leaning closer to warrior ethos according to my guess.

I would have to agree with all of what you said. I think that Clausewitz was trying to show both the military types who were all about the military ethos, and politicos, who wanted to achieve political victory by any means, that both had their part to play in the drama of national conflict. That both must be taken into account by both the military and political leadership, working together, to achieve national ends. And to achieve them with minimal military and political cost.

32 posted on 05/04/2002 5:39:40 PM PDT by PsyOp
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To: chantal7
bump
33 posted on 05/07/2002 11:36:11 AM PDT by chantal7
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To: PsyOp;semper_libertas;Atlantin
My last order ... now I'm broke again :( This should keep me busy for a few weeks ... I'll buy "On War" my next order.


34 posted on 05/08/2002 2:53:51 AM PDT by The Bored One
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To: The Bored One
Looks like I should should contact Amazon and ask about my commission check!
35 posted on 05/08/2002 8:20:57 AM PDT by PsyOp
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