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To: Roscoe
"The Second Amendment declares that it shall not be infringed, but this, as has been seen, means no more than that it shall not be infringed by Congress." - US Supreme Court, U.S. v. Cruikshank, 92 U.S. 542 (1875), Presser v. State of Illinois, 116 U.S. 252 (1886).

See also Cases v. United States, 131 F.2d 916 (1st Cir. 1942); United States v. Kozerski, 518 F.Supp. 1082 (D. N.H. 1982), aff'd 740 F.2d 952 (1st Cir. 1984); United States v. Tot, 131 F.2d 548 (3rd Cir. 1942); Eckert v. City of Philadelphia, 329 F.Supp. 845 (E.D. Pa. 1971), aff'd 477 F.2d 610 (3rd Cir. 1973); United States v. Johnson, 497 F.2d 548 (4th Cir. 1974); Love v. Peppersack, 47 F.3d 120 (4th Cir. 1995); United States v. Johnson, 441 F.2d 1134 (5th Cir. 1971); United States v. Warin, 530 F.2d 103 (6th Cir. 1976); Quilici v. Village of Morton Grove, 532 F. Supp. 1169 (N.D. Ill., E.D. 1981), aff'd 695 F.2d 261 (7th Cir. 1982); United States v. Hale, 976 F.2d 1016 (8th Cir. 1992); Fresno Rifle and Pistol Club, Inc. v. Van de Kamp, 746 F. Supp. 1415 (E.d. Ca. 1990), aff'd 965 F.2d 723 (9th Cir. 1992); United States v. Oakes, 564 F.2d 384 (10th Cir. 1977).

Federal circuit court decisions have uniformly cited Cruikshank, Presser, and Miller as upholding the propositions that the second amendment is a limitation only on the power of the federal government as a protection for the states in the maintenance of their militia organizations against possible encroachments by the federal power, is not applicable to the states and thus is not a limitation on the power of the states, and is a guarantee of a collective right of the people to keep and bear arms rather than an individual right. See Cases v. United States, 131 F.2d 916 (1st Cir. 1942); United States v. Kozerski, 518 F.Supp. 1082 (D. N.H. 1982), aff'd 740 F.2d 952 (1st Cir. 1984); United States v. Tot, 131 F.2d 548 (3rd Cir. 1942); Eckert v. City of Philadelphia, 329 F.Supp. 845 (E.D. Pa. 1971), aff'd 477 F.2d 610 (3rd Cir. 1973); United States v. Johnson, 497 F.2d 548 (4th Cir. 1974); Love v. Peppersack, 47 F.3d 120 (4th Cir. 1995); United States v. Johnson, 441 F.2d 1134 (5th Cir. 1971); United States v. Warin, 530 F.2d 103 (6th Cir. 1976); Quilici v. Village of Morton Grove, 532 F. Supp. 1169 (N.D. Ill., E.D. 1981), aff'd 695 F.2d 261 (7th Cir. 1982); United States v. Hale, 976 F.2d 1016 (8th Cir. 1992); Fresno Rifle and Pistol Club, Inc. v. Van de Kamp, 746 F. Supp. 1415 (E.d. Ca. 1990), aff'd 965 F.2d 723 (9th Cir. 1992); United States v. Oakes, 564 F.2d 384 (10th Cir. 1977).

No, it's not. That's the problem with the tempermentally liberal. They want everyone to start at the point things support them. Invariably, if one looks just before where they want you to attend, you'll find the hole. It's also why they like precedent so much more than law: easier to hide.

Roscoe, I believe you are trying to pull a fast one. You'd have been smarter to just deny the original was a "cut and paste job."Do you see the sentence in quotation marks from post 93 ANYWHERE in post 218? As I've already acknowleged, the list of caselaw is parallel (perhaps your eyes are tired). Now as much emphasis on source as I have put in our discussion, why would you use anything but an EXACT quote as a rejoinder to my "baseless" contentions. So you have either removed the original statement from it's true supporting citations (you know, this isn't Barbie head swapping...people ignore you when you do this kind of thing), or you actually got the original quote from somewhere else as I contended from the outset, and have palmed off the second based on it's parallel list of caselaw.

Your last name wouldn't happen to be Carville would it?

236 posted on 05/06/2002 3:26:40 PM PDT by Woahhs
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To: Woahhs
Do you see the sentence in quotation marks from post 93

It's an exact quote from the two Supreme Court decisions cited.

"The Second Amendment declares that it shall not be infringed, but this, as has been seen, means no more than that it shall not be infringed by Congress." - US Supreme Court, U.S. v. Cruikshank, 92 U.S. 542 (1875), Presser v. State of Illinois, 116 U.S. 252 (1886).

Pesky facts.

264 posted on 05/07/2002 12:28:51 AM PDT by Roscoe
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