It's Time to Sue the Gun-Lie Industry

RichardPoe.com ^ | May 3, 2002 | Richard Poe

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[steve-b]

In fact, the Newberry Library of Chicago has granted Bellesiles $30,000 to write a new book on guns – a 400-year study of firearms regulation in America.

$30,000 to make up 400 pages of lies? Nice work if you can get it!

[Frohickey]

bang!

[dirtboy]

Gun-banners violate Americans’ constitutional liberties, imperil their lives and justify their actions with bogus statistics, junk science and outright lies.

However, most lies are constitutionally protected speech, and the way to defeat them is to refute them, not litigate them.

[TheDon]

I have to agree with the idea that a good offense is the best defense. Rather than attempting a holding action, a full scale offensive needs to be opened. Instead of a tax on ammo, pass laws to make it tax deductible. Also, firearm training and firearm purchases should be tax deductible. That would be a true recognition of a benefit to society through private ownership of firearms.

[Lazamataz]

Not too bad, Rich. Also, another positive offensive action is to recruit women as Second Amendment Rights supporters. There are MANY out there willing to be recruited. There is a unique and curious power exhibited by a woman -- as opposed to a man -- forcefully demanding her right to keep and bear.

SECOND AMENDMENT SISTERS

Also, I don't know where you live, but if you live in a state w/o a Conceal Carry, contact me and I will put you in touch with people who are looking to get CCW in whichever state you are in. I am working Illinois very diligently, having come from a state with (theoretically) worse gun control laws -- New York -- that let me have my CCW.

[Lazamataz]

In fact, the Newberry Library of Chicago has granted Bellesiles $30,000 to write a new book on guns – a 400-year study of firearms regulation in America.

Hang on a tick: Isn't this the a-hole who is being roundly censured by his peers as an academic fraud and outright liar???

And they are giving him MORE money???

WTF!!!

[Mr. K]

I wish they would start such a law suit- then the statistic about how many lives are SAVED by guns each year could be brought out.

[ned]

I am reminded of something my former boss David Horowitz wrote.

What is this "former boss" business? What happened between you and David?

[Joe Brower]

[dirtboy]

I wish they would start such a law suit- then the statistic about how many lives are SAVED by guns each year could be brought out.

We are perfectly capable of doing such without a lawsuit. I don't think it's a good idea to try and save the Second Amendment by trampling on the First...

[Wm Bach]

"Our Review Committee… felt comfortable with the quality of his existing work," explained Jim Grossman, the library’s Vice President for Research and Education.

It's okay. They are comfortable with it. Clinton was comfortable with Mary Matlin's husband and pet snake. Adolf was comfortable with Goebbels.

[Psycho_Bunny]

"Our Review Committee… felt comfortable with the quality of his existing work," explained Jim Grossman, the library’s Vice President for Research and Education.

How could a person, with enough brain power to keep their heart beating, possibly feel "comfortable with the quality" of Bellesiles's previous work?  The man's a proven Agenda Liar.  There's no two ways about it. 

OH!  It's because Grossman is in on the Anti-Gun Agenda.....how stupid of me not to realize that.

This situation is exactly the same as saying "We know Bellesiles raped and murdered a child but, we are comfortable with him being our babysitter."

[ned]

Litigation is a tool, just like a gun. In the right hands, a well-targeted lawsuit can do a great deal of good.

Who would sue whom? And under what theory?

[monkeywrench]

Depriving one of one's constitutional rights isn't about speech. The gun groups have been acting in concert with some legislators to deny us our rights. Conspiracy.

[boris]

I have said many times that we should use the leftists' own tools against them. The way I put it: "Make them worship at the altar of Our Lady of Perpetual Litigation."

They understood that one can destroy individuals and orginizations by bankrupting them via legal means--whether or not you prevail in court.

I have also said I'd join a class-action lawsuit against the usual suspects in a heartbeat.

Are there no pro-Second-Amendment lawyers who will take the case pro bono?

--Boris

[galt-jw]

i always thought someone could sue movie companies who create films which lead to copycat crimes, or music, but it would be difficult to prove. unfortunately, this does not apply to guns.

[Poohbah]

The National Endowment for the Humanities, with a RICO suit. Causation: that the NEH, a government body, is attempting to insert itself into political affairs with taxpayer monies; that those taxpayer monies are being disbursed to persons engaged in fraudulent activities; and that the intent of said disbursment is to undermine constitutionally protected civil liberties.

It's called "conspiracy to deny civil rights under color of authority."

[steve-b]

Lying in and of itself is protected speech; however, lying in the cause of frivolous lawsuits and conspiracies against civil liberties implicates you in those actionable activities.