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Parents Sue School over 'Lord's Prayer'
FOX NEWS VIA WORLDNETDAILY ^ | 5/02/02 | Steve Brown

Posted on 05/02/2002 4:48:32 PM PDT by TaRaRaBoomDeAyGoreLostToday!

Edited on 04/22/2004 12:33:21 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

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To: LarryLied
Agreed! Well said.
121 posted on 05/03/2002 12:06:04 PM PDT by glory
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To: TaRaRaBoomDeAyGoreLostToday!
Bump
122 posted on 05/03/2002 12:07:10 PM PDT by EdReform
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To: rustbucket
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press, or the right of the people to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances."

Isn't that what the ACLU has been doing with the help of federal courts all these years (and in this case)?

Sing it anyway, nobody can do a damn thing about it.

123 posted on 05/03/2002 12:09:26 PM PDT by hattend
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To: hattend
oops

Isn't that what the ACLU has been doing with the help of federal courts, making law all these years (and in this case)?

124 posted on 05/03/2002 12:11:52 PM PDT by hattend
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To: glory
I would submit to you that most Christians already tolerate things that are pagan via the continued celebration of Halloween in the public schools. NEXT!

I would submit most that people who still participate in Halloween are only in it for the free candy and have no idea how it came about.

125 posted on 05/03/2002 12:15:14 PM PDT by hattend
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To: JediGirl
sigh...just like I said yesterday
126 posted on 05/03/2002 12:22:34 PM PDT by glory
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To: JediGirl
universally accepted prayer to "God

No such thing.

127 posted on 05/03/2002 12:23:27 PM PDT by glory
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To: glory
universally accepted prayer to "God

No such thing.

I was hoping someone would catch on......Which is why i believe prayer has no place in school.

128 posted on 05/03/2002 12:44:02 PM PDT by JediGirl
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To: glory;Salvation;pax_et_bonum;neocon
They are using our own goodness against us. Americans are a tolerant people. Most of us are not pushy. Someone says they are offended, we back off rather than fight. It is the Christian thing to do. The marxists and the anti-Christian bigots know this and it gives them a huge advantage. They also know we honor law. So they twist and turn our founding principles until the first amendment means, via judicial rulings, exactly the opposite of what it was intended to mean. And once more, we back off and they win. It is the marxist dialectical in action. They push year after year and generations are born not knowing what is now considered normal was, not that long ago, unthinkable.

Saul Alinsky laid out the tactics they use against us in his book Rules for Radicals. When they go after religion, they usually employ the following Alinsky suggestions:

The fourth rule is: Make the enemy live up to their own book of rules. You can kill them with this, for they can no more obey their own rules than the Christian church can live up to Christianity. (Turn the other cheek, agree with the Supreme court, don't get upset when your religion is banned from the public square)

The fourth rule carries within it the fifth rule: Ridicule is man's most potent weapon. It is almost impossible to counterattack ridicule. Also it infuriates the opposition, who then react to your advantage. (only snake-handing, backwoods yahoos who don't believe in science care about prayer in school)

The thirteenth rule: Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it. (Jerry Falwell represents all Christians. Pedophile priests represent all Catholics )

When these attacks are made on faith, it is important to see who is attacking. Do searches on their names, find out what organizations to which they belong and what their faith, if any, is. As with Ben Stone and Professor Frank, 9 times out of 10 you will find a connection to a marxist group such as the National Lawyers Guild and a deep hostility to Christianity. These people are not concerned about our constitution and separating church and state.

They want Christianity eliminated.

And they play hardball to try to achieve that goal.

129 posted on 05/03/2002 12:51:44 PM PDT by LarryLied
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To: IronJack
The tyranny of the minority who are offended by a God they don't believe in….
And a God whose ethic is the basis for the very freedom under which they protest.

And a God which created the very laws of logic they need to borrow to dismiss him. No God no laws, no possibility of logic. But then it seems these people have not spent a lot of time sharpening their syllogisms.

130 posted on 05/03/2002 1:10:06 PM PDT by DaveyB
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To: TaRaRaBoomDeAyGoreLostToday!
The ACLU theophobes seek to outlaw song with references (the horror, the horror!) to God in it in Iowa. Film at 11.
131 posted on 05/03/2002 1:11:31 PM PDT by goldstategop
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To: LarryLied
Separation of church and state wasn't written into US constitutional law until 1947.

It is still not there. Those words do not appear in the constitution. Only a liberal judges in their deluded imaginations find them, while at the same time not ever finding the tenth amendment. Repeal the 1st ammendment -- I dont think so -- impeach judges who refuse to submit the plain language of the constitution.

132 posted on 05/03/2002 1:18:35 PM PDT by DaveyB
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To: TaRaRaBoomDeAyGoreLostToday!
Publicity seekers and nothing more. If God doesn't exist the prayer or song can mean nothing more than any other song.
133 posted on 05/03/2002 1:29:13 PM PDT by usslsm51
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To: LarryLied
SCOTUS has made some very odd decisions regarding religion.

That's putting it mildly. They've contridicted themselves so many times, it's ridiculous. Look at the 1995 decision on Rosenburg vs. UVA, compare it to the 2000 decision in Sante Fe, and tell me what the difference is. Nothing, except one deals with college and the other deals with high school. Apparantly, the USSC thinks certain religious expression in college is protected that is not so in high school. Where in the constitution do they come up with that?

134 posted on 05/03/2002 1:35:49 PM PDT by 1L
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To: usslsm51
Publicity seekers and nothing more.

I suspect they are more than that but whatever the case, they are being used by those who are engaged in a pogrom against Christians.

135 posted on 05/03/2002 1:40:22 PM PDT by LarryLied
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To: 1L
Look at the 1995 decision on Rosenburg vs. UVA, compare it to the 2000 decision in Sante Fe, and tell me what the difference is. Nothing, except one deals with college and the other deals with high school.

Apparently, like alcohol and pornography, the courts feel religion is so dangerous those under 18 should not be exposed to it.

136 posted on 05/03/2002 1:45:52 PM PDT by LarryLied
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To: JediGirl
Especially if it were voluntary, eh?
138 posted on 05/03/2002 3:25:59 PM PDT by anniegetyourgun
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To: anniegetyourgun
Weren't they free not to sing it or not participate in the event? Sure they had an opinion different from most people, but I dislike a minority trying to impose theirs by force on the unwilling. It breeds resentment.
139 posted on 05/03/2002 3:32:07 PM PDT by goldstategop
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To: hattend
Sing it anyway, nobody can do a damn thing about it.

I see that some of us belong to the in-your-face style of religion that escalated into people getting killed during the Reformation.

There was an op-ed piece in the local paper yesterday that quoted a Supreme Court ruling, "The Constitution is abridged when the state affirmatively sponsors the particular religious practice of prayer." Say it, sing it, chant it, burp it, it is still prayer.

140 posted on 05/03/2002 4:14:23 PM PDT by rustbucket
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