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Army To Supply 'Morning After' Pill To Female Soldiers (Israel)
Jerusalem Post ^

Posted on 05/02/2002 8:52:50 AM PDT by RCW2001

May. 2, 2002
Army to supply 'morning after' pill to female soldiers

The IDF is to issue the "morning after" pill Postinor 2 to female soldiers at a subsidized cost.

According to the IDF weekly Bamahane, the pill would be prescribed to soldiers at their unit clinic by IDF gynecological officers and gynecological specialist.

The article quoted the head of the women's health department of the Woman's Adviser to the Chief of General Staff Division Maj. Dr. Einat Elran as saying the pill was effective within the first 72 hours after having unprotected intercourse.

The Health Ministry has allowed the pill to be available over the counter since March. But until now, female soldiers were given permission to purchase the pill from civilian pharmacies with their own money.

The hormonal drug, levonorgestrel, prevents a fertilized ovum from implanting itself in the uterus by changing the lining (a chemical mechanism with the same function as the mechanical intrauterine device).

The IDF is examining the possibility of purchasing the pill in bulk to be distributed at regional command centers and other large units at a subsidized price, the weekly said.

Furthermore, the weekly said the IDF was examining the possibility of reducing the price of birth control pills available to all female soldiers. Today, any soldier wishing to get the pill needed to purchase it in a civilian pharmacy with a prescription issued by an IDF gynecologist.

The IDF's unspoken policy is to allow a female solider to undergo one abortion during her military service, but she is dismissed if she gets pregnant again.

Postinor 2 is considered safe and effective when taken according to instructions, but it can cause side effects such as stomach pain, headache, nausea, tiredness, and vomiting. Doctors warn that Postinor 2 should not be taken on a regular basis, as this can result in ovarian cysts and disruption of menstrual periods.

Thus the "morning after" pill is meant for cases in which an unwanted pregnancy could result from unprotected sex, including the failure of a condom


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To: jonatron
I personally don't like abortion and I think jews should be encouraged to reproduce, but the IDF is mostly a secular organization. Personally, I don't think women should even be in an Israeli army, but who asked me?

Four points of agreement 'twixt you & me.

My interest in Israel also is purely religious. As a Christian, I have a practical desire to see the Holy Places protected and free access to them preserved. Moreover, I have a moral desire to see peace and reconciliation in the world. As I've tried to make plain many times, I have no objection to the security and survival of Israel, but I question the moral claim to my support from a polity that seems hell-bent to sell its soul.

The Jews can save themselves from their enemies -- with a little help from their friends -- but who will save them from themselves? I can understand your reluctance to comment here, but especially as a religious Jew, presumably with some interest in Israel's remaining majority-Jew, you really should comment.

41 posted on 05/02/2002 1:59:24 PM PDT by Romulus
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To: TopQuark
I guess, Americans do not deserve to have a country since they poorly "take care of each other."

What I'm suggesting is that the well-publicised idealised Israel, supposed locus of Jewish self-renewal and high moral purpose that Americans (including me) were taught to embrace, is looking a little hollow just now. There's no American "race" that longed for a homeland to be safe from persecution (unless you count the indians, but seriously, who ever does?), nor any plausible divine mandate making the country over to the white man. America was never supposed to be about anything but a gold rush and land-grab. Surely Israel is about more than that. Anyway, the Christian Zionist yes-men say so.

42 posted on 05/02/2002 2:14:35 PM PDT by Romulus
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To: RCW2001
Well? Armies exists to kill people and break things, right?

I'm sure the U.S. military is next.

Sigh...

5.56mm

43 posted on 05/02/2002 2:40:08 PM PDT by M Kehoe
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To: Romulus
America was never supposed to be about anything but a gold rush and land-grab.

What a terrible education you have suffered through...

44 posted on 05/02/2002 3:44:55 PM PDT by TopQuark
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To: Willie Green
Another excellent reason to terminate foreign aid to Israel.

But lets not stop with foreign aid to Israel...ALL foreign aid except in the case of a humanitarian crisis caused solely by an "Act of God"!

45 posted on 05/02/2002 4:14:15 PM PDT by RCW2001
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To: Don Myers
Well, I guess they are not fighting Palis all the time.

"examining the possibility of purchasing the pill in bulk"

Obviously not...lol!

46 posted on 05/02/2002 4:17:08 PM PDT by RCW2001
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To: Askel5
I'm aware of the Jewish religious position. I have had long talks with some Jewish friends of mine on the subject. We have to agree to disagree.

Technically it is the position of mainline Sects. Ethiopian Jews and Karites do not respect it as they have traditions outside of the Talmudic tradition. Likewise Samaritans do not respect this ruling.
Frankly, neither do I. The ruling was not based on the Bible but on 1700 year old science. As such it can and should be revised in light of facts.
I presented this position at a class on Jewish Law at Columbia and managed to offend everyone. The Orthodox considered this either extreme arrogance or apostacy. (Who am I to dispute teh Rabbis...) The Conservative Reform and Reconstructionist Jews were annoyed, not based on my logic, but on the pro-life stance.

I would note that faith science and law are not seperate in Judaism.

The Soviets supported the formation of Israel in the hope that it would become a communist country.

I serioulsy doubt this. In becoming a "communist" country, Israel would be of absolutely no use to the Soviets.
There is something circular to this reasoning.
The fact is that the Kibbutz (commune) system was communist. The Soviets did think that Labor government ( Avodah is part of the Socialist International) would join with the communists to form communist country for the benefit of Jews and Arabs. This would have the added benefit to the commies of settling the "Jewish Question" in such a manner that undermined the rival answer of Zionism. Fortunately the religious and liberal parties rejected this.

It's as a means of embroiling the US (particularly on "religious" grounds) and opening a conduit for compromise of intel, military and state department that is the "Israel First" groupthink that Israel has been most valuable to the former Soviets.
Given that the US was not a major benefactor of Israel until 1970, your theory is full of wholes. From 1947-1953, the Soviets and the Warsaw Pact states supported Israel and sold it weapons. (There is a running joke that the first fighter squadron of the IDF was made up of Czeck ME109's.)

From 1954-1967, the French supplied the Israelis with weapons.

I believe the objective intended (as was stated) was to radicalize an arc of militant Islam. Israel serves as an organizing point for both reuniting a disparate Arab world and energizing a heretofore sleeping militantism. .....
This radical arc of Islam serves to sap the United States (who still does indeed seek to play both ends against the middle for its own geo-political and national interest purposes). It helps to buffer both the Chinese (with their additional hunk of Hindu flesh) and the Russians (whose President Putin made an intersting slip of the tongue last year in London when referring to "Russia's Caucasus regions") both of whom enjoy tidy relations with the "Axis of Evil" sorts for whom the build nuclear reactors, supply with missiles, tinker in bio-weapons, etc. etc.

Perhaps you have forgotton the danger Islam posed to the Soviets. Most Soviet Republics were populated by Islamic peoples. The risk to the Soviets was clear. Could you imagine half the USSR turning into Afghanistans?
The truth is that for 40 years, the Soviets supported communists in Muslim countries.
The same goes for the Chinese who occupy Uighurs and Mongols who are Muslim.

The current relations of Russia with the Axis of Evil is financial and a way of blocking Us hegemony.

Ron
PS. Nice picture of United Front propganda.

47 posted on 05/02/2002 5:13:28 PM PDT by rmlew
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To: Romulus, askel5
Wouldn't it be better to worry about Catholic women having abortions, as abortion is against the Catholic creed? Etiquette aside, I understand that Jewish tradition is far less anti-abortion than ours, so who are we to render judgment?
48 posted on 05/02/2002 5:21:04 PM PDT by a history buff
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To: rmlew
Again, you make some great points.

The help Israel received from behind the Iron Curtain in Czechoslovakia is also worth a mention. I understand many of the essential similarities and I think they're certainly worth examining. I was strictly speaking to appearances, I suppose. No way could Israel (or many of the Muslim nations clearly co-opted by a "radicalized" Islam) be overtly "communist".

Even though we can thank the Republicans and their China policy for legitimizing interaction beyond "co-existence" with communists and had no problem teaming up with the intel and military of the "former Communists" before the dust of the Wall even settled, the fact remains (as most recently evidenced by Milosevic and in some Latin American countries) that "communist" still raises red flags and is used to demonize folks at will.

Much like sex is used to demonize Republicans but not liberals as the the need arises. Since we have legitimized in advance the Chinese communist system, we need not expect so much from them. Because we've pretended to buy the whole perestroika thing, a holdover "commie" like Milosevic can be used to predicate our "moral war".



I would have loved to have been in your classroom that day. Thanks for the information on the other sects. That's helpful for me.



I'm not so sure about the Soviets really being afraid. You'll have to convince me some more. I could see them being very afraid that they'd lose what controls they did have were the Arabs to swing their loyalties freely our way and engage in genuine "democratic" reforms.

But the way any and all genuine Arab leaders seemed to get popped to easily belies that there has not been a concerted control of the region. Even a Bathists (sp?) like Saddam doesn't impress me as actually powerful. I mean, we're talking about a guy whose first act was to call out his closest comrades for torture and death. Is that a powerful man?

It's like the folks demonize that sock puppet of a man Clinton. How could a man so enslaved to his passions -- sex, drugs, anger and maudlin sentiment -- not be totally controlled by his handlers? All of his closest buds ended up dead or destroyed. Likely because Clinton was so haphazard and such a loose cannon that the Professionals had to clean up after him and just axe everyone who might have proven a thread.

I'm totally off-topic by now. Thanks for the posts, though. I appreciate the schooling.

49 posted on 05/02/2002 5:27:11 PM PDT by Askel5
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To: a history buff
Personally, I don't believe that promiscuous sex or the taking or dispensing of abortificants is consistent with the spiritual life.

An interesting and challenging article. Thanks for posting.

50 posted on 05/02/2002 5:41:51 PM PDT by onedoug
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To: rmlew
I was interested to read of your experiences debating this issue. "The accepted interpritation of Jewish law holds that "Before 40 days, the fetus is water."" Likewise, in Islamic law, there is a 40 days rule, which makes early abortions either a lesser offence, or permissible (depending upon the jurist.) Such a long held distinction, in the Abrahamic religions, is unlikely ever to alter. Especially as it does reflect a popular idea - most people think that 1st trimester is different. It is noticable that, in recent decades, opinions against abortion have become stronger in both these religions, but they are rather hampered by the lack of a genuine tradition backing their views, and they more or less depend upon "chains" of interpretation between generations.
51 posted on 05/02/2002 5:45:26 PM PDT by BlackVeil
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To: RCW2001
The latter part of #50 is really for you.

Thanks again.

52 posted on 05/02/2002 5:51:15 PM PDT by onedoug
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To: TopQuark
Thanks for putting in a post with some reason and logic. I want to raise a related issue, which is that the "abortion problem", IMO, is really a pre-marital sex problem. No woman should be blamed for having an abortion unless some man (he must exist!) is dragged forward to be blamed for having intercourse irresponsibly. These women soldiers in the IDF are in the same position as American college students, who also have relatively high rates of abortion. They are being introduced to sex in an atmosphere where there is no commitment to a sanctified relationship. Zeev Schiff wrote in his official history of the IDF "Entering the army at age 18, for most young women, means their first experiene away from home and their introduction to sexual intercourse ... " (Quoted, Hazleton, "Israeli Women", p 148).
53 posted on 05/02/2002 5:57:06 PM PDT by BlackVeil
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To: BlackVeil
You have a point about the lack of tradition hampering pro-life movements among Muslims and Jews.
Frankly it has been years since I read the Koran and I make no theological claims here.
However the Tanakh is clear that from conception the Zygote is alive and has a soul held dear by God. I believe that the tradition among Jews is based on outdated science and needs to be changed.
54 posted on 05/02/2002 6:14:37 PM PDT by rmlew
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To: Askel5
No way could Israel (or many of the Muslim nations clearly co-opted by a "radicalized" Islam) be overtly "communist".

You haven't met Edward Said, Noam Chomsky, or my relatives on Kibbutzim. (I'm talking the real hard-core commies, the ones that raised their kids communally and refuse to marry.)

Even though we can thank the Republicans and their China policy for legitimizing interaction beyond "co-existence" with communists and had no problem teaming up with the intel and military of the "former Communists" before the dust of the Wall even settled, the fact remains (as most recently evidenced by Milosevic and in some Latin American countries) that "communist" still raises red flags and is used to demonize folks at will.

When was the last time teh mainstreme media condemned Castro, Kim, or Chavez?

I'm not so sure about the Soviets really being afraid. You'll have to convince me some more. I could see them being very afraid that they'd lose what controls they did have were the Arabs to swing their loyalties freely our way and engage in genuine "democratic" reforms.

1/3 Soviets in 1990 were descended from Muslims. If Catholocism could be used to undermine Soviet occupation in Europe, Islam could be used in Asia. Trust me, the Muslims working in oil refineries or conscripted against their will to figh Afghans were not going to go on strike.

But the way any and all genuine Arab leaders seemed to get popped to easily belies that there has not been a concerted control of the region. Even a Bathists (sp?) like Saddam doesn't impress me as actually powerful. I mean, we're talking about a guy whose first act was to call out his closest comrades for torture and death. Is that a powerful man?

He has been in power for over 30 years in an unforgiving area. Assad died in office.
Nasser was not popped. He lost power because of his defeats by the Israelis.

55 posted on 05/02/2002 6:32:18 PM PDT by rmlew
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To: BlackVeil
Excellent comparison indeed: when you are 18 and placed under a lot of social pressure, great many mistakes can be made.

I most certainly agree with your main point: the responsibility for abortion, as well as conception itself, is a shared responsibility of the couple. in ocnsequence, I belive that men should: (i) bare the same responsibility, as you pointed out, and (ii) be given more freedom to choose whether the female partner aborts an unwanted pregnancy.

Thank you for making this important point, as well as for yur kind words.

56 posted on 05/02/2002 6:33:47 PM PDT by TopQuark
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To: RCW2001; DBtoo
Ping for "depopulation!"

Thought you might find this thread interesting, DBtoo.

57 posted on 05/02/2002 6:50:06 PM PDT by Freetus
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To: RCW2001
This seems not so smart, considering that the Muslim fertility rate is probably 3 or 4X greater than the Israeli. I would think the Israelis would want to try & have as many children as possible.
58 posted on 05/02/2002 7:30:34 PM PDT by valkyrieanne
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To: rmlew
Do Orthodox Jews base their assessement of abortion on the Book of Deuteronomy? (The section where it the compensation due for causing a miscarriage is less than that of causing the death of person.) There is some such law in Islam - the blood money paid in compensation for an abortion is less than that for a death, and it increases according to how many months advanced the pregnancy is. I think that both traditions would be lenient about a pre-implation method (such as this drug) and totally condemning of late abortions. In Islam there are the arguments drawn from Koranic texts, which are read several ways - but there is also a practical argument - much more sharp. Most Imams state that if an unmarried girl is pregnant she is justified to either flee the family home or have an abortion (both would normally be considered sins.) Because in an Arab society she herself could easily end up a victim of an "honour murder." A tragic dillema for those women. Most clerics aren't very sympathetic, but even they must grudgingly admit that there is a problem, relevant to all discussions on abortion.
59 posted on 05/02/2002 7:31:07 PM PDT by BlackVeil
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To: rmlew
I'm really enjoying your posts. Now you've given me enough that I have to go think (and maybe read) a bit before asking you some more questions. Very much appreciated.

Regards for now.

60 posted on 05/02/2002 7:31:30 PM PDT by Askel5
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