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Owned by the Anti-Drug Cartels
LFET ^ | Rick Gee

Posted on 05/02/2002 8:11:26 AM PDT by Sir Gawain

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To: marty60
My goals in life do not include, 1)funding Al-Queada, and 2) making my brain mush.

Please don't do the former, too late for the latter.

21 posted on 05/02/2002 10:25:30 AM PDT by Protagoras
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To: marty60
My goals in life do not include, 1)funding Al-Queada

You don't buy gasoline?

23 posted on 05/02/2002 10:27:36 AM PDT by steve-b
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To: ThomasJefferson
PERSONAL ATTACK....PERSONAL ATTACK.!!!!!!!!!!!
24 posted on 05/02/2002 10:30:31 AM PDT by marty60
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To: marty60
PERSONAL ATTACK....PERSONAL ATTACK.!!!!!!!!!!!

A bit thin skinned are we ?

25 posted on 05/02/2002 10:36:39 AM PDT by AUgrad
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To: marty60
Just an answer to the personal attack of treason against tokkers. But you are correct, I saw a fat pitch and I couldn't resist knocking it out of the park. :-)
26 posted on 05/02/2002 10:38:14 AM PDT by Protagoras
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To: steve-b
Support your local farmer! Buy American!
27 posted on 05/02/2002 10:38:31 AM PDT by Wolfie
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To: AUgrad
SEE # 7
28 posted on 05/02/2002 10:39:06 AM PDT by marty60
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To: ThomasJefferson
Try to stay on subject. I know it's hard for folks like you who have nothing substantive to say on a topic, but try anyway.

Oh yeah?! My dad can beat up your dad! :-p

29 posted on 05/02/2002 11:12:26 AM PDT by realpatriot71
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To: realpatriot71
Oh yeah?! My dad can beat up your dad! :-p

Can't miss, he's been dead for 27 years.

On the other hand,,,he was creamated so it might be quite impossible,,,,,,

30 posted on 05/02/2002 11:14:00 AM PDT by Protagoras
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To: ThomasJefferson
Well, you're still a doody-head . . .
31 posted on 05/02/2002 11:20:54 AM PDT by realpatriot71
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To: realpatriot71
Nere, nere, nere, nere, nere, nere.
32 posted on 05/02/2002 11:39:47 AM PDT by Protagoras
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To: Sir Gawain
Think for a moment how many big city mayors, governors, representatives, senators and presidents have held public office in the past fifteen years and ask yourself how it can be that only two of them have publicly questioned the pervasive and invasive war on drugs.

Right! Where are they now?


34 posted on 05/02/2002 12:16:16 PM PDT by Victoria Delsoul
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To: Wolfie
Don't forget the allies!

"Good Things Grow In Ontario"

35 posted on 05/02/2002 2:22:29 PM PDT by jodorowsky
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To: Sir Gawain
Thomas Jefferson" has (by indirection) asked us "drug warriors" to address the points made in Mr. Gee's article. Unfortunately, there are so many logic flaws, errors in critical thinking, glittering generalities and pure sophistry that a point-by-point discussion (and refutation) of the article would take more time and effort than the subject warrants. Therefore I will present a representative sample of Mr. Gee's flawed logic and self-delusional rationalizations:

1. The introductory paragraphs advance the familiar (to those of us who witnessed the Clinton impeachment follies) "hypocrisy" argument: "Famous (or Notorious) Person X allegedly used illegal drugs, how dare they condemn anyone else." This argument implies an ability to read the mind of the purported hypocrite, i.e. to know to within a moral certainty that they do not now believe that drug use and possession are wrong and should be punished. Moreover, by carrying this argument to an illogical conclusion, one could accuse a reformed cat burglar of "hypocrisy" for supporting laws against theft, or for teaching his children not to steal. I also strenuously object to the statement "...self-medication has been a hallmark of human civilization..." A dictionary definition of "hallmark" is " ...an indication of quality or excellence", Mr. Gee's statement may alternately be read as: "drug use and possession are an indication of quality or excellence in human civilization".

Paragraph 5 also presents the "if booze and tobacco are legal, what's wrong with my drugs of choice, you flaming hypocrite" argument. If Mr. Gee's intent were to demand that alcohol and tobacco should be prohibited on the grounds that they are just as dangerous (or more so) than currently illegal drugs, then he has made his case. He is absolutely correct: we are all hypocrites for banning some dangerous drugs while permitting the possession and use of other dangerous drugs. That does not, however, mean that we need to compound the "crime" of hypocrisy with the crime (and immorality) associated with the possession and use of habit forming, health endangering, crime inducing and/or mind-altering drugs.

2. The next section of Mr. Gee's article, "the Unreason of Drug Laws", mixes some valid points with some unproven assertions, and some good old-fashioned left-wing "conventional wisdom". Just because "drug legalization proponents" choose to believe that "drug dependence is more of a health issue rather than a crime issue", doesn't necessarily make that assertion the God's eternal and immutable truth. I don't think that the people who've been mugged, robbed, beaten and shot by addicts out to get money to support their habit would necessarily endorse this "health rather than law enforcement issue" concept. There are, in my opinion (which is just as valuable, as Mr. Gee's), some serious Constitutional issues with current asset forfeiture laws, and with the "cruel and unusual" severity of some of the penalties under existing drug laws. On the other hand, I thought that Mr. Gee's basic Thesis is that drugs should be legalized, not that the penalties for drug possession and use should be reduced. And throwing down the race card, as Mr. Gee does in this section, is so much useless demagoguery and sophistry. The incarceration rate of blacks for drug offenses may indicate that drug abuse truly is more of a problem in African-American community than in the general population, it might also be the result of a lot of factors other than raw racism, but whatever the incarceration rates or causes of them are, they hardly constitute an excuse to legalize drugs. As to the argument that we're losing the War on Drugs simply because we haven't eliminated the problem, I would point out (as have better people before me) that we also have not eliminated crime, poverty, or Terrorism, but we still spend billions and trillions to solve (or at least to ameliorate) those age-old problems.

3. This is as far as I want to take this critique at this time (maybe too far to suit most of you, particularly the Liberals, libertarians and drug addicts). I once had a college roommate who smoked a lot of ganja, but who was opposed to drug legalization on the grounds that he didn't want his (future) kids to think it was OK (or a "hallmark of human civilization") to use drugs. At the time I thought he was the biggest hypocrite on the face of the earth. Now I have a teen-aged stepson, and now I know that there are a lot worse things than a little hypocrisy if it keeps people from messing up their lives, and endangering others, with drugs.

36 posted on 05/02/2002 3:17:53 PM PDT by pawdoggie
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To: pawdoggie
I think we would be better off "spending billions and trillions to solve the age-old problems" of pig-headed state idolatry, corrupt, venal, and hypocritical politicians, and the abyssmal ignorance of the general public about all things political, economic, social, medical, philosophical....

I'm joking, of course. I no more think that these problems can be solved by spending taxpayers' extorted money than that the so-called WOD can be 'won' by spending the same money.

OTOH, there is no doubt that the grifters, parasites, and other detritus of modern American society would continue to benefit from this criminal conspiracy to terrorize Americans, fatten the bank accounts of the drug cartels, and create thousands of pensionable government jobs.

But let the whited sepulchres of the American Right continue this travesty of justice and morality. God is not mocked.

37 posted on 05/02/2002 3:54:41 PM PDT by headsonpikes
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To: Sir Gawain
"Perhaps such is the ineluctable result of ever-expanding government; politicians must portray themselves as "tough on crime."

Yep - its about whipping up votes and securing gubmint jobs.

38 posted on 05/05/2002 8:31:06 AM PDT by Liberty Teeth
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