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Make health care inexpensive again
2002 WorldNetDaily.com ^ | May 2, 2002 | Harry Brown

Posted on 05/02/2002 7:42:08 AM PDT by Aeronaut

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1 posted on 05/02/2002 7:42:09 AM PDT by Aeronaut
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To: Aeronaut
I'd glad to see Harry shutting his mouth on the War on Terrorism. Stick to economic issues like these, Harry!
2 posted on 05/02/2002 7:44:30 AM PDT by StockAyatollah
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To: Aeronaut
Harry is absolutely right: The way to fix the health insurance "system" is to get the Fed out of it completely.
3 posted on 05/02/2002 7:45:01 AM PDT by Taxman
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To: Aeronaut
It should be obvious to the dullest eye that health insurance really began to grow unaffordable or unavailable just about the time that Bill and Hill tried to shove Hillarycare through. They didn't succeed in getting what they wanted, but they sure did succeed in mucking up the health care system royally. And it's as bad for doctors and hospitals as it is for patients.
4 posted on 05/02/2002 7:48:38 AM PDT by Cicero
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To: Aeronaut
It's really hard to listen to Harry after his anti-American attitude after 9/11.
5 posted on 05/02/2002 7:51:32 AM PDT by narby
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To: Aeronaut
Getting the government out is a great idea, but don't hold your breath. As for interim steps, expanding Medical Savings Accounts to keep the IRS out of our pockets more and make us less dependent on government programs is one step. Also, I know this will fluff a few feathers, but I'd like to see a catastrophic health care package made available that will be overseen by the federal government. I've seen too many people lose their homes or businesses when a loved one has a lingering illness that requires lengthy, expensive medical attention. Individuals would pay for the coverage, but because of the potential costs , it would probably need to be a national pool.

Regards,

6 posted on 05/02/2002 7:53:35 AM PDT by Ken in Eastman
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To: *Socialized Medicine
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7 posted on 05/02/2002 8:16:16 AM PDT by Free the USA
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To: Aeronaut
Having recently shopped for private, individual medical coverage for myself, I am certainly in agreement with the views expressed here. "Catastrophic only" medical coverage is virtually impossible to find these days. What most people seem to want is totally comprehensive coverage with little or no out of pocket expense.....in other words, they want to "get their money's worth" out of their premiums each year. It completely defeats the concept of "insurance."
8 posted on 05/02/2002 8:27:40 AM PDT by freedox
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To: narby
That is an ad hominem fallacy, and it's breathtaking to see you fall for it so completely.
9 posted on 05/02/2002 8:39:53 AM PDT by SteamshipTime
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To: freedox
You have the economics exactly right. Too bad we live in a democracy instead of a constitutional republic.
10 posted on 05/02/2002 8:45:52 AM PDT by SteamshipTime
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To: Aeronaut
The real solution is to outlaw medical insurance. Let it be cash on the barrel head. Once the doctors realize that the patients are paying for everything they do or order, rather than an insurance company or agency, the cost of medicine will plummet.

First benefit: about 20% of the cost of health care is the administrative cost of performing all of the billing and accounting procedures needed to satisfy Medicare and the thousands of insurance companies, all of which pay different amounts for every procedure.

Second benefit: The cost of what is being done for the patient again becomes a consideration. It isn't at this point in time.

11 posted on 05/02/2002 8:51:28 AM PDT by NCDoc
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To: Aeronaut
I posted a reply to this article on another thread HERE
12 posted on 05/02/2002 8:51:52 AM PDT by politeia
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To: Cicero
It should be obvious to the dullest eye that health insurance really began to grow unaffordable or unavailable just about the time that Bill and Hill tried to shove Hillarycare through.

The criminal Clintons aside, if you paid the health care premiums the way I have for the last 22 years, you would see that the escalation started long before those two swine arrived on the scene. It can be traced all the way back to the first government intrusion in health care. I don't think I have a dull eye.

13 posted on 05/02/2002 9:04:34 AM PDT by Protagoras
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To: narby
It's really hard to listen to Harry after his anti-American attitude after 9/11.

I wondered how long it would take to turn the subject to the author instead of what he wrote.

14 posted on 05/02/2002 9:05:36 AM PDT by Protagoras
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To: NCDoc
The real solution is to outlaw medical insurance. Let it be cash on the barrel head.

Third party payers are surely part of the problem, but isn't it easy to use more government force, as you are proposing, to "fix" the problem rather than stopping the circle of force?

In this scenerio, you would replace the people who force others to their solution, with yourself. To use force to make them use your solution.

Government caused the problem, it is not the remedy.

15 posted on 05/02/2002 9:10:24 AM PDT by Protagoras
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To: Aeronaut
It may be hard to believe, but back in the 1950s health insurance cost just a few dollars a month for most people – and it was available to virtually everyone, including people with pre-existing conditions.

Not difficult to believe at all. In 1930, heath care was even cheaper . In 1900, it was cheaper still. In 1800, it was hardly a consideration.

Government intervention is a huge part of the problem of couse but blaming the cost solely on that is a simplistic analysis.

In 1950, you could not buy a pacemaker, a hip replacement, a CAT scan, Lipitor or a bovine heart valve replacement no matter how much money you had.

Government should get out of the market but that will never make the care some people may need affordable. We're going to have to accept that there can be no equality in health care anymore than there can in transportation. Some can buy a modest car, others a Lexus,others a Ferrari and some travel on private jets.

16 posted on 05/02/2002 9:10:37 AM PDT by LarryLied
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To: Cicero
As an employer who has to yearly survey available coverage it is unbeleivable what the govt. mandates have done to destroy reasonable coverage. I cannot really say that it started with Bill & Hill, but if it keeps up health care will be too expensive for the middle class. Then they will demand the Govt. provide it. Perhaps that is the grand plan in Congress. What puzzles me is that the Health care industry seems to be going along, realizing that sooner or later they will be another Federal Dept.
17 posted on 05/02/2002 9:35:16 AM PDT by helper
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I would say that the rank and file of health care are not going along with it.

Just the handful of sell-outs at the top of each organization, be it a hospital, HMO, corporation, etc.

Briefly, there's a triumvirate of organizations who maintain the status quo.

1.) Insurers like to keep the bills nice and high, so as to keep their percentage cut large.

2.) Hospitals like to keep the bills nice and high, so as to keep facility fees huge. (My old hospital would charge Medicaid or an insurance company $3000 for a one-night stay in the hospital for a tonsillectomy patient. When the cash-paying plastic surgery patients and their surgeons needed THE SAME exact service, the quote they got from the hospital was $300!!--ONE TENTH!! That will give you some idea of the REAL price of a night's stay in the hospital. It's high but not crazy high.)

3.) Third, the Federal and State governments like to keep the bills nice and high, because it justifies tons and tons of administrative spending, posturing, and gives them ammo to keep the voters in a low-grade panic about the future of health care. (Guess which party traditionally benefits from such panic-mongering.)It also gives them a huge pool of lobby-dollars from the other two oligarchs in the triumvirate. It's all very corrupt, you see.

The solution to all this is not banning health insurance, rather, free health insurance, with the natural outcome being Medical Savings Accounts, and high deductibles: These lead straight to low premiums, and also lower routine costs.

Health care could easily cost one third of what it costs now, with huge incentives possible for joggers and other health-conscious persons. Nothing like that is being explored under the current cartel system, I wonder why.

Just let the market do its thing.

Oh yeah, this just in... Congress is trying to stamp out the overwhelmingly-popular Medical Savings Accounts, which have heretofore been allowed to only a handful (less than a million) citizens on a "trial basis".

Why do you think the triumvirate is so threatened by MSAs?

Not too hard to figure out.

18 posted on 05/02/2002 10:48:20 AM PDT by caddie
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To: caddie
When I said "free health insurance," I meant, "Liberate the health insurers entirely from any sort of government regulation, and let them devise insurance products that might appeal to a discerning public."
19 posted on 05/02/2002 10:52:22 AM PDT by caddie
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To: ThomasJefferson
The problem is far deeper than a simple majority of people voting for government intervention in health care.

When it comes to medicine, there are few Americans who are not radical equalitarians. If that rich guy over there can afford a triple by-pass or a heart transplant, I darn well should be able to afford one too is the thinking

The problem is there is no possible way, even if we had a free market, for everyone or even a large segment of the population to afford all the high tech care available. And that means people will demand more and more government intervention. You and I will be taxed so people who cannot pay for a half a million dollar operation get one.

This is where the Libertarian Party always fails. The LP dogma goes nowhere when a society's deeply held moral convictions, in this case equal access to medical care, are in opposition to it.

20 posted on 05/02/2002 11:21:13 AM PDT by LarryLied
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