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THE OTHER VAN DAM STORY(New article from San Diego will have V.D. PR machine will be in overdrive!)
San Diego Online ^ | May 1, 2002 | Thomas K. Arnold

Posted on 05/01/2002 4:03:29 PM PDT by FresnoDA

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To: FresnoDA
You ARE bad. LOL
81 posted on 05/02/2002 10:14:54 AM PDT by Jaded
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To: MizSterious
At least the police are seriously looking at all the suspects in this case, including the parents. Why haven't they done the same in the van Dam case?

I'd sure be interested in knowing why. As I have said, the peculiarities of the van Dams alone should make LE inclined to look very closely and then look again.

Before I heard a whisper about the swinging, I found it so strange that the parents were eliminated in record time. How much valuable information may have been lost because of this? We may never know.

82 posted on 05/02/2002 10:27:28 AM PDT by Southflanknorthpawsis
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To: Jaded
Curious, isn't it? I guess I must be foolish in assuming that LE operates consistently and methodically. This does more than raise my brow !!!!!!
83 posted on 05/02/2002 10:31:00 AM PDT by Southflanknorthpawsis
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To: MizSterious;spectre;Amore;Travis McGee;BunnySlippers;Doughtyone;Hillary's Lovely Legs;Snow Bunny...

Wow....the mining project has just hit pay-dirt....PING...) ) )

Danielle’s Death
Child abductions do not, for the most part, occur at random.

By Rabbi Daniel Lapin, president of Toward Tradition, a Seattle-based national pro-family coalition of Jews and Christians.
March 12, 2002 8:50 a.m.


little girl is dead, left under a clump of oak trees in the backcountry east of San Diego. Many have seen her murder as a warning, applicable equally to all mothers and fathers, that child abduction occurs by random chance.

On March 1, a day after the body of Danielle Van Dam was identified, the San Diego Union-Tribune published a heart-rending account of parents and school counselors trying to explain to children how it could happen that seven-year-old Danielle was kidnapped and killed. "Mommy," a boy was quoted as saying, "I don't want anyone to steal me." Counselors advised parents "to listen to their children's fears and acknowledge them."

The unstated assumption of much of the press coverage of the tragedy has been just this: Children are afraid, counselors and parents are stumbling to find something comforting to say, for what happened to Danielle could as easily happen to any of our children. Since the grim discovery was made, the nation has absorbed the message that Danielle's death was an event without explanation or reason.

Or was it?

On the morning of February 2, Danielle was found to be missing from her bed. The man who has been arrested for her murder is 50-year-old David Westerfield. Reportedly a child-porn enthusiast, he is a neighbor of Danielle's parents, Damon and Brenda van Dam. That night, says the accused kidnapper, he and Mrs. Van Dam had been dancing at a local bar. Mrs. Van Dam denies dancing with Westerfield, but she does admit being out till 2 A.M. without her husband. Nor do the Van Dams deny the stories reported in Newsweek, stories that say they are active "swingers" with a taste for wife swapping. The Van Dams say their lifestyle has "nothing to do" with Danielle's abduction.

Let us be clear. This horrible death can be blamed only on the man who kidnapped Danielle. But if the Van Dams are indeed "swingers," if Mrs. Van Dam was carousing without her husband until rather late, then these parents — who deserve our sympathy no matter what their follies and vices may be — will have something in common with the parents of many other abducted children, beyond the bare fact that they have lost a child. For these terrible events do not, for the most part, occur at random. (AMEN RABBI!!)

The National Institute for Missing and Exploited Children supplies the figures. In 1997, 24 percent of abducted children were abducted by strangers. About half, 49 percent, were kidnapped by family members, typically a divorced parent. Another 27 percent were kidnapped by an acquaintance. 

In other words, 73 percent of abducted children suffered that fate due in part to lifestyle choices their parents made: the choice to divorce, or to befriend sleazy characters. When the media, by ignoring these data, give the impression that child kidnapping could happen to any family, the wholesome no less than the unwholesome, we are once again being grievously misled.

This same notion — that a certain kind of misfortune, in choosing victims, makes no distinction between wholesome and unwholesome — animated the AIDS scare of the late 1980s. Back then, the media and AIDS activists asserted that the disease was about to erupt among the population of heterosexuals who are not abusers of intravenous drugs. It never did. AIDS, it's now acknowledged, is a killer with a marked preference for people who engage in particular activities: anal sex and needle sharing.

It does occasionally happen that an unknown drifter will invade the life of an upstanding family and steal and murder their child. That is what happened to 12-year-old Polly Klaas, abducted from a slumber party in Petaluma, California, in 1993. It is what happened in 1981 to six-year-old Adam Walsh, whose father, TV host John Walsh of America's Most Wanted, initiated a campaign to place photos of missing children on milk cartons and junk mail. That well-intended campaign has supported the misconception that children go missing by chance. The brief biographical sketch of the missing child never indicates the family dysfunction that likely contributed to making the abduction possible.

Random kidnapping is not what happened to Danielle van Dam, and the fact is worth considering. For our actions have consequences — often unintended, often for future generations, often tragic — and parents would do well to remember this. (Long...uninterrupted...applause...FDA)


84 posted on 05/02/2002 10:38:38 AM PDT by FresnoDA
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To: Jaded
About the fingerprints? Are we sure this is correct? There wasn't "anything" personal of hers that fingerprints couldn't have been lifted from? How about her diary?


85 posted on 05/02/2002 11:00:54 AM PDT by spectre
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To: FresnoDA
From one of your early-on articles posted above:

Police have repeatedly said they do not consider the van Dams suspects in the girl's disappearance, which is officially considered a case of kidnapping, though they pointed out that no one has been completely ruled out.

Yet many people here "marvel" at the police ruling the VD's out at lightning speed, when, in fact, the police really said "that no one has been completely ruled out." I doubt all investigating of the VD's really ended as early as some here would have us believe. And I think the police leaks of their "swinging lifestyle" supports the view that the police continued to look at the VD’s.

And now the police’s statements in Danielle's case are starting to look like those in Jahi's case. What did they say yesterday about the stepfather "not being a suspect," Fresno? I questioned that statement yesterday and it appears rightly so. In light of the latest evidence that Jahi was never at the playground (surprise!) that police statement yesterday looks like understandable, intentional disinformation to put the stepfather off-guard.

86 posted on 05/02/2002 11:15:22 AM PDT by Amore
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To: MizSterious

Trouble in Gringoland

The Weirdness, Violence and Decadence
of North San Diego County, California

Ernesto Cienfuegos
La Voz de Aztlan

Los Angeles, Alta California - 2/12/2002 - (ACN) - North San Diego county is a rapidly growing area in southern California that is inhabited by mostly white upper middle class folks. Most of the residents here have fled from the now largely minority populated cities of Los Angeles and San Diego. The region is a mix of brand new residential developments and dwindling agricultural fields. The many bedroom communities that have arisen in this corridor between Los Angeles and San Diego pride themselves in being family oriented and an excellent and healthy place to raise children. Recently, however, three major incidents have shattered the false image that was being projected by whites in the area.


altThe first incident occurred in the community of Rancho Sante Fe (Map location 1) on March 26, 1997 when 39 bodies of young men an women were found dead in various rooms of a $1.6 million dollar home. The bodies of 18 men and 21 women where dressed similarly and all were lying in a prone position, hands at their side as if asleep. Autopsies of the bodies later revealed that all had committed suicide and that 8 of the men were castrated. The castrations had occurred years before and had already healed. Subsequent investigations by police authorities of the bizarre case revealed that the 39 young men and women were members of a group called Heaven's Gate that was led by a homosexual who called himself "Do". "Do" apparently had convinced the 39 young men and women that a spaceship hiding behind the Hale-Bopp comet would take them to heaven and that they must free themselves from their temporary vessels (bodies) in order to be lifted away as the comet approached earth. They prepared for the trip to heaven, on an alien UFO, by first purifying their bodies. The castrations were performed on those who had deviant sexual desires in order to free them of sin.

The second incident was one of racial violence against 4 elderly agricultural Mexican workers by 8 white thugs from the community of Carmel Valley (Map location 5)and the dragging death of a fifth. The incident took place not far from where the Heaven's Gate suicides occurred. The horrific racial incident took place on July 5, 2000. The four Mexican migrant workers, ages 64 to 69, lived in a worker's encampment by a creek (Map location 2). The four worked in nearby nurseries and tomato fields. They where terrorized for 2 hours by 8 local white high school aged hoodlums with baseball bats, pellet guns and a pitchfork. One of the workers lost one eye when he was shot point blank in the face seven times. The dragging death of a fifth migrant worker from Oaxaca, Mexico occurred two days later in the same vicinity. The 8 youths were arrested and tried for the beatings of the 4 elderly workers but they were never charged with the murder of the 17 year old migrant worker who had been dragged on his face and dumped over a ravine. The San Diego police determined that the two cases were unrelated.

Mr. and Mrs. van DamThe third case is currently in the news. It involves the disappearance of 7 year old Danielle van Dam from her Stable Springs home (Map location 3). Stable Springs is another of the new white communities in north San Diego county. This incident has been compared to the Jo Bennet case except that no body has yet been found. It appears that the girl was abducted on February 1, 2002 from her upstairs bedroom while her so called "soccer mom", Brenda van Dam, was out dancing till 2:30 in the morning in a bar in the adjacent community of Poway (Map location 4). The father, Damon van Dam, who was at home, does not know what happened. The prime suspect is a neighbor who lives two houses down. According to the suspect, David Westerfield, he danced with the "soccer mom" at about 10:00 P.M. and then left the bar. The "soccer mom", Brenda van Dam, said that she went out with two single female friends to celebrate the going away of one of them. She said that all three met two other friends and that the five came back to her home for some "pizza" at around 2:30 AM. The following morning, Danielle was gone. No trace of her has been found. There have since been media reports citing law enforcement sources that the Van Dams took part in a "swingers" lifestyle and were engaged in an after-hours sex party with a group of people Mrs. Van Dam brought home from the bar. No one has been arrested. The reader can draw his or her own conclusions concerning the case.

Superficially, north San Diego county seems like an ideal place to live. It is marketed as a crime free and family oriented area. Most schools are brand new and churches abound. White picket fences surround the well manicured lawns and gardens of the upscale homes. It looks like a utopian "Gringoland"! But looks can be deceiving. Underneath the facade, lurks violent racist kids, decadent "soccer moms" and weird groups of people yearning to to be lifted away to heaven in UFO's. Is this the real America? Is white north San Diego county just a small aberration of the nation as a whole? Pat Buchanan recently wrote a book titled "The Death of the West". Possibly, the three incidents in this small region of America, are just mere symptoms of a larger, deeper and more serious problem that is beginning to rear its ugly head.


87 posted on 05/02/2002 11:16:30 AM PDT by FresnoDA
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To: Amore;UCANSEE2

A few days ago...UCANSEE2 accused me of posting nothing but old "rehashed" got out my pick ax and shovel....and have gone a is another little nugget!!! 

FresnoDA (Not a real DA (really, you can believe me!!), and not counting of 15 minutes of fame UCAN2!!)


Home PageDanielle Van Dam
Seven-year-old Danielle Van Dam was apparently kidnapped from her home in San Diego. Her parents have been all over the media telling their story and pleading for information that could lead to her return. But we are not getting the whole story here. Douglas Pierce, a worker for the Millennium Children's Fund, observed the parents for eight hours, and he says something about their story is not on the level. And now, we learn that Danielle's parents, Brenda and Damon, are swingers... and that held a wife-swapping party at their home the very night the girl disappeared! Gee, do you suppose their swinging lifestyle could be relevant information? Everybody is trying to paint these two as wonderful parents... but are they model parents when they throw wild swing-parties in their home while the children are asleep upstairs? The answer is a resounding No.

88 posted on 05/02/2002 11:24:04 AM PDT by FresnoDA
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To: spectre

...while mining, you even find some "fools gold" the VD apologist on our thread....LOL

Voyeurism + Blame = Newsweek

You may have heard about Danielle Van Dam, the 7-year-old taken from her San Diego home last month and apparently murdered. It's an awful story. What makes it worse, however, is the way Newsweek and other media have turned this into a lewd morality tale.

Danielle's parents are swingers--they are non-monogamous and have sex with other couples. Incredibly, some commentators blame this lifestyle for Danielle's disappearance. If her parents weren't distracted by a sex party, opines Newsweek, they would have somehow known she was being kidnapped, and could have prevented it.

How sleazy can "journalism" get?   Three hundred children are abducted from their homes each year. The majority have parents who are not swingers. How do Newsweek,, and other holier-than-thou's account for those cases? If 80% of the parents of abducted kids are monogamous, should we blame their "repressed lifestyle" for their inability to protect their children? While we're at it, let's remember that most of the parents of molested, beaten, and unhealthy kids are (or claim to be) monogamous too. Clearly, monogamy puts children at risk. There's a hot "lifestyle trend" story for USA Today.

89 posted on 05/02/2002 11:28:58 AM PDT by FresnoDA
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To: FresnoDA
Great source for that last commentary, Frez:
90 posted on 05/02/2002 11:33:13 AM PDT by Amore
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To: FresnoDA
If some of these super sleuths would just use their talents, they would realize what DA stood for...but we'll keep em guessing, I bad.

What have we heard from the latest hearing today????? Anything?


91 posted on 05/02/2002 11:42:29 AM PDT by spectre
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To: Amore
Amore, an older article, and possibly the transcripts, mentioned the amount of time it took to "completely clear" everyone but Westerfield. It was 13 hours. That's pretty fast. That's why we're all a little skeptical.
92 posted on 05/02/2002 12:51:57 PM PDT by MizSterious
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To: MizSterious
I remain skeptical that that is completely true.
93 posted on 05/02/2002 1:16:39 PM PDT by Amore
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To: spectre
KIM! Don't you dare try and deny that you haven't called Westerfield a Pedophile...Look up the word "innuendo"...

Hi spec,my post about the profile of a pedophile was a valid more or less than some others, right? I haven't denied anything either.

I have strong ''feelings''..but they are no more or less valid then those who believe the vd's are faking grief (from the earlier threads). Feelings are worthless in a sense because emotions interfere..many of the every day people who are following this case are emotional about it.

I'm not going to deny that my "feelings" about him aren't influenced by the 60,000+ pornography pics, along with the rape animations etc., which have been proven to be true according to the official transcripts. If he's the killer, we have to wonder if he is a pedophile. Could he have killed her because he's insane and not a sexual predator...sure!

94 posted on 05/02/2002 1:27:24 PM PDT by Freedom2specul8
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To: Jaded
Maybe some should post their stuff over there. There are some members who would be absolutely joyous at the prospect of new members for the lynch mob.

The difference between over there and over here is night and day isn't it..

95 posted on 05/02/2002 1:29:15 PM PDT by Freedom2specul8
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To: MizSterious, Hildy
Hildy, you wouldn't know the truth if it jumped up and bit you on your rear end--which it has several times, which proves my point.


96 posted on 05/02/2002 1:31:52 PM PDT by Freedom2specul8
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To: FresnoDA
So the money to buy the bmw was or wasn't purchased with the ''donations'' as someone recently stated??
97 posted on 05/02/2002 1:35:15 PM PDT by Freedom2specul8
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To: FresnoDA
How do you like my kids High School restoration project??

Is it a pic Fres? It didn't show up? :(

98 posted on 05/02/2002 1:36:53 PM PDT by Freedom2specul8
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To: FresnoDA
wrt:your ''apologist'' article...That author has convicted westerfield...interesting..
99 posted on 05/02/2002 1:40:19 PM PDT by Freedom2specul8
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To: ~Kim4VRWC's~
Well so have lots of other people, but the only ones that count will be sworn in when they get impanled on the jury. Have a nice day.
100 posted on 05/02/2002 1:45:14 PM PDT by Jaded
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