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To: one2many; Aurelius
We are all slaves now.

Now, you're stealing Aurelius's lines. I'll just tell you what I told him back in post 157:

"Someday, if there is an afterlife, perhaps you can meet some real slaves who could be legally chained and bought and sold like corn. And you can tell them about government and swap slave stories with them.

But for now you're talking to me and I live in the same country and time as you. And I know that you have no chains but the ones that your mind imagines."

Don't wimp out on us with the "I'm just a slave in chains" baloney. You're a free man. What do you want to do that the mean old government won't let you do?

You just have to learn that you can't depend on the government to provide you with happiness.

267 posted on 05/04/2002 12:43:54 PM PDT by ned
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To: ned
"What do you want to do that the mean old government won't let you do?"

Keep the money that I earn.

"You just have to learn that you can't depend on the government to provide you with happiness."

What a ridiculous statement. What on earth have I said that would suggest that I expect the government to provide me with happiness. Believe me, the very last thing that I expect or would want from government is for them to try to provide me with happiness. All I want is to be left alone by them. And I find it absurdly presumptious of you to tell me what I have to learn.

276 posted on 05/04/2002 2:07:59 PM PDT by Aurelius
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To: ned
Someday, if there is an afterlife, perhaps you can meet some real slaves who could be legally chained and bought and sold like corn. And you can tell them about government and swap slave stories with them.

As I said before, you don't listen, so I don't know why I bother. Back in the 1930s, the United States Federal government located a lot of former slaves from the era and asked them a whole slew of questions. The book was published, and to the chagrine of the interviewers, it came back about 70/30 split from former slaves reminiscing about their days of slavery. You see, contrary to your public education 4th grade mantra of 'slavery bad, lincoln good', there weren't that many huge plantations like we see so eloquently displayed in movies like Roots. Perhaps you might want to read a bit of Tocqueville, an observer of both northern and Southern cultures. Read Charles Dickens observations, who was a reporter during the war on this continent.

I'm not saying slavery was a good thing, it was bad. However, ask yourself how much lincoln did for slaves before the war. Did he teach them to read and write as Stonewall Jackson did? I know, perhaps he wanted to educate them before release so they would be prepared for the world as free men. No, that was Davis and Lee. lincoln's 'root,pig, or perish' story told us as much as that.

As for your silly 'secession was a made up right by the South', I suggest you look to Thomas Pickering, George Cabot, and the Essex Junto of the early 19th century. Those northern boys cared so much about the United States that they wanted to secede right in the middle of a war if they didn't get their way.

289 posted on 05/04/2002 6:42:32 PM PDT by billbears
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