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To: billbears
The very terms of the the Tenth Amendment does not reserve to the states the powers delegated to the United States:

"The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."

Now, I don't know what you might mean by the term "secession," but I know what the southern politicians trying to protect slavery meant. They intended to divest the government of the United States of its powers in the southern states. They meant to mess with the powers that are delegated to the United States.

At the time, the southern politicians involved in all of this were desperate. They genuinely believed that the preservation of slavery was vital to the preservation of the southern culture. So they took a gamble. And they lost. And now we know that the preservation of slavery was not vital to the preservation of southern culture. The southern politicians were just wrong about that, too.

In fact, slavery and "secession" now has very few fans anywhere in this country. It's a dead issue.

So, Lincoln can be credited both for keeping us together as a nation and for proving that slavery was not a necessary part of southern culture. And now, we're all together as part of one Union and all but a tiny few of Americans like it that way.

256 posted on 05/04/2002 12:15:25 PM PDT by ned
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To: ned
My dog just farted.
257 posted on 05/04/2002 12:20:37 PM PDT by one2many
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To: ned
And now we know that the preservation of slavery was not vital to the preservation of southern culture.

In fact, it's better now. Now we have SEC football.

Walt

258 posted on 05/04/2002 12:22:35 PM PDT by WhiskeyPapa
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To: ned
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And The Tyranny Advances

It has been written by many that there are alternatives to an armed confrontation with the US Government – and don't forget State and political subdivisions as their 'leadership' is just as corrupt. After all, they, too, are elected officials who must obey the Constitution but do not.

And the tyranny advances.

One alternative is that we can get control of courts and establish uncorrupted courts. It is said perhaps hundreds or thousands of people nationwide are fined and/or incarcerated based on laws that are as unconstitutional. But, the judges must obey the Constitution. Not if they choose not to. Ask the millions unlawfully incarcerated right now.

And the tyranny advances.

But, we can force judges to obey the law of the land by filing lawsuits or criminal charges against judges. Hmm, judges determine which cases will be heard; which will not.

And the tyranny advances.

Well, we can write our representatives in Congress and the State legislatures. But, while writing these representatives, additional unconstitutional laws are passed and in spite of letters and other communication means. And - without bills even being read.

And the tyranny advances.

Well, then, we can vote them out of office. Yeah, right, as if the people haven't known of the corruption of elected officials for decades now. And, the same morally corrupted people stay in government positions term after term. After all, it doesn't matter how many vote or for who – all that matters is who counts the votes. And, you will not see through the vote and the current counting system the Republican or Democrat yield to a third party their power in Washington.

And the tyranny advances.

How about educating the people and getting them to realize that we are so far removed from constitutional law – the laws of freedom and God – that we now resemble Gestapo Germany or Red China? And, while the education goes on, laws are passed to impede the flow of information, including what is taught in government-controlled education.

And the tyranny advances.

Well, we can reform 'campaign financing.' That has been done many times but has it had a positive effect? In the first place, the financing isn't the problem. The problem is that politicians are corruptible or corrupted. They do not serve their positions admirably and with integrity but, instead, serve only their masters – greed and lust for power.

They even forced upon the people unconstitutional election laws that assure one of two major parties always retain control, two parties that are essentially one when it comes to making the simple determination as to whether or not a bill being passed into law is unconstitutional or not.

And the tyranny advances.

Well, if we get rid of all terrorism, we won't have need for laws removing our rights of travel, communication, and so on. The laws will then be repealed. Funny, but people thought the same thing following WW I, WW II, various bombings and 'terrorist' acts, the 1933 bankruptcy, prohibition and its repeal – well, the list goes on and the unconstitutional laws are still on the books today and people are being thrown in jail, beaten, or killed by enforcers enforcing them.

And the tyranny advances.

The government is just protecting us from violence and possibly being overran by some terrorist group housed the government knows not where. Including those the government is hiding itself. Why, the government is so inept at 'protection' that it couldn't even protect its ten-mile square area. And, yet, people are convinced it can protect the millions of square miles making up this country.

And the tyranny advances.

Yeah, but the government is compassionate and cares about protecting the people. That guy from Texas who grew up soaked in oil and now stains the White House with his oily handprints has said so. But, dozens of American citizens who had committed no crime were slaughtered by the 'compassionate' government – right in his state of Texas. And, dozens of dozens more incarcerated for no crime against Man but only because they disobeyed laws that should not be enforced because of being null and void when applied to the people.

And the tyranny advances.

But, our government fights against drugs and crime and helps save us from nasty criminals. Yeah, well, while saving us, hundreds of Americans have their property unlawfully taken – stolen - by the very governments that are supposed to save us from nasty criminals. While protecting from thieves in the night - which most of us are capable of doing ourselves better – government thieves operate 24 hours a day, 7 days a week and in broad daylight. After all, their take for doing so is making them wealthy and satisfying their good feelings of power they get while pointing a loaded gun as some innocent.

And the tyranny advances.

But, we are free because of the government protecting us. This is America so we know we are free. We even waved a little flag supporting our freedom and the fight for freedom.

And, yet, 'we' go out and get in our cars that are licensed by the State, operate it because of permission being granted by the State, approved by the city we live in [city stickers,] buy gas that has prices controlled by the government, suffer road stops and illegal searches, even cut our grass regularly because the government says so, use our property only as the government allows, and go to military courts to pay homage to the government because we don't do what the government said we must do.

And the tyranny advances.

You know, Folks, there is a time when any tool is junked. If it can't do the job that needs to be done, then another is bought. And, if the first is simply outdated, such as my old IBM 256 computer, then it is no longer needed or modifications are needed to the extent a new model might as well be purchased. When it is broken beyond repair, then we replace it.

Government is merely a tool of the people. Those in it actually have less freedom since laws that are made by man are meant to control government, not the people. You see, the only lawful laws are meant to regulate the government in meeting two ends – protection physically of our shores [only] and to uphold the Constitution. When these are not done, the government has failed.

Our governing bodies have and are failing miserably. The existing bodies are broken beyond repair because those that could correct the problems are part of the problem and will never be part of the solution. They protect each other with vengeance against the Constitution and at the price of our country – and our freedom that should be but never has been for the most of us.

We each would like to think that matters can be corrected without severe bloodshed, while the government itself at all levels uses bloodshed to enforce laws that are in fact not enforceable on the people.

Armed thugs hired and trained by the government violate right after right while courts defend their actions and violate right after right. Some will not even allow a constitutional defense or will talk as if they are obeying the Constitution while shredding it right in front of our eyes. And, the court itself is an unconstitutional court.

What many don't realize is that government hasn't any qualms about using deadly force against people who are demanding their rights. They could care less as long as they put more money in their pockets and get to exercise their armed power over law abiding citizens – law-abiding meaning those who do not infringe upon the rights of others.

Government spills blood constantly in order to get its way. It even uses our citizens who have been seriously hoodwinked as to the cause they fight and die for. Hundreds of thousands mounting into the millions have died for causes that were not of the Constitution or to protect our rights and persons.

Billions of dollars are spent and billions more will be spent – but it will not be to protect human rights. The money will be spent to enforce laws not of nature but instead seriously infringe upon the laws of nature [self-evident rights] and, in most cases, wipe out unalienable rights completely.

These bloody actions all over the world by the government are not in defense of this country but in defense of the profits of the drug cartel headed by the CIA, energy, pharmaceuticals, weapons, prison system cartels [multi-billion dollar business based largely on unconstitutional laws,] and other cartels of which the president, vice-president, and different agency/bureau heads are associated with.

The only game in Washington – and your local government – is to make more money and acquire more property for government by further enslaving the people. Or is it to enslave the people by demanding more money and acquiring more property for the government. Either way, the people lose so it doesn't matter.

Do you really expect that those in government are going to willingly give up the gravy train that has been created for them just because the people know the laws are unconstitutional and write letters, make phone calls, sign petitions, and send faxes?

Do you really believe they are going to stop passing unconstitutional laws because the people want them to? Or, because thousands have communicated that the laws must stop and all unconstitutional laws applied to the people must stop? Or, that judges and the military court system that has been established is going to change simply because the people write letters and so on?

Do you really believe that law enforcers are going to quit illegal seizures of property and obey the Constitution because more people know how illegal the thefts are? Hell fire and damnation – millions of people know that stops are unconstitutional as are the thousands of illegal searches and seizure that are making law enforcers billions extra over what the taxpayers already pay them to – get this – protect their rights and maintain public peace.

Do you really believe the written word will uncorrupt the system [including the corruptive thinking of the public] that is so completely corrupted, it does not remotely resemble a Republic form of government but more that of a tyrannical monarch far worse than the one led by King George III when the colonists were fed up? And, the colonists had more freedoms than we now have with far less corruption.

And the tyranny advances.

The people will not do what must be done to restore the Constitution. Gosh, I might get hurt if I defend my rights and might get killed if I exercise my right to defend my rights.

So, instead, I will just do whatever they say when they say it and for how long they say.

I am only an 'American' as long as I don't have to stand up as one and be counted as one who opposes what the government is doing to the country that once was.

As soon as I have to stand up and be counted, though, forget it. Let them do whatever they want – I will just going on paying my homage to them as long as they let me live in my house I pay them every year to live in. And, I will thank them for letting me buy a license to exercise my 'rights' and for not shooting or incarcerating me for being late with my payments to them. I will even thank them for letting me marry my sweetheart and for letting me pay such a small fee to do so.

And, the tyranny advances –

Because having to truly fight for freedom might be messy – besides the government is doing it for us. Just ask them if they aren't. Ask Bush – he'll tell you that everything being done is being done for freedom and to protect you because he is 'compassionate.' And, as you know, people in such positions and with the character of Bush, would never lie.

And, thus, tyranny NOT only is advancing – it is rampaging all across the land and being enforced by force, including deadly force at the hands of potential murderers during every unconstitutional stop, investigation, and unlawful break-in.

This is the land that once was the home of courageous people who not only pledged in writing their lives and fortunes to the freedom of Man and the founding of this union of States, but took up arms when left no other recourse and did so for far less than what has now transpired. Many did give their lives and fortunes to win this land and place it as the Land of the Free and the Home of the Brave.

Somehow, though, these descriptive phrases are now falling flat on this American Patriot's ears. But, you know what – I think that is how the governing bodies want it to be – no longer the Land of the Free and the Home of the Brave but the Land of the Enslaved and the Home of the Meek.

And the tyranny advances.

Ed Lewis is a veteran writer, having been published in many online journals and newspapers. Mr. Lewis, a Missourian dedicated to liberty and truth, may be reached for comment at elewis@mail.shighway.com.

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260 posted on 05/04/2002 12:23:21 PM PDT by one2many
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To: ned
Now, I don't know what you might mean by the term "secession," but I know what the southern politicians trying to protect slavery meant. They intended to divest the government of the United States of its powers in the southern states. They meant to mess with the powers that are delegated to the United States.

You are confusing the secessionists with the nullifiers of the generation previous.

The Southerners didn't intend to impair the powers of the United States. They intended to leave the United States. Big difference.

You aren't breaking the rules of the Club if you aren't a member any more, and don't come around any more.

You quote the Tenth Amendment, and then post the picture of the man who turned it into a roll of toilet paper. You've just set some sort of land speed record for confusion as to concepts and consequences. Welcome to the thread -- you'll feel right at home with your fellow Unionists.

297 posted on 05/05/2002 5:06:23 AM PDT by lentulusgracchus
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