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To: RiseAgain
President Lincoln was more pragmatic and realistic than they were. Frederick Douglass said that from the genuine aboltion ground, President Lincoln seemed cold and indifferent.

If DiLorenzo said Lincoln seemed cold and indifferent to slavery, you'd scream bloody murder. Now you point to it as evidence of his wonderfulness (i.e. his being a pragmatist).

Well, I set you up. It wasn't hard. I couldn't resist.

Do you think DiLorenzo ever saw this more complete comment by Douglass:

"Viewed from the genuine abolition ground, Mr. Lincoln seemed tardy, cold, dull and indifferent; but measuring him by the sentiment of his country, a sentiment he was bound as a statesman to consult, he was swift, zealous, radical and determined."

Or this:

"After the interview was over, Douglass left the White House with a growing respect for Lincoln. He was "the first great man that I talked with in the United States freely," Douglass said later, "who in no single instance reminded me of the difference between himself and myself, of the difference of color."

--"With Malice Towards None, p. 357 by Stephen Oates.

"Lincoln had Douglass shown in at once. "Here is my friend Douglass," the President announced when Douglass entered the room. "I am glad to see you," Lincoln told him. "I saw you in the crowd today, listening to my address." He added, "there is no man in the country whose opinion I value more than yours. I want to know hat you think of it." Douglass said he was impressed: he thought it "a sacred effort." "I am glad you liked it." Lincoln said, and he watched as Douglass passed down the [receiving] line. It was the first inaugural reception in the history of the Republic in which an American President had greeted a free black man and solicited his opinion."

Ibid., p. 412

Has DiLorenzo been remiss in his research?

Walt

28 posted on 04/30/2002 8:05:19 AM PDT by WhiskeyPapa
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To: WhiskeyPapa
Has DiLorenzo been remiss in his research?

Only because DiLorenzo's "secondary sources", Greg Loren Durand and CrownRights.com never mentioned any of that. ;~))

141 posted on 04/30/2002 1:36:43 PM PDT by Ditto
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To: shuckmaster
Hey I am just checking in at FR after a few days absence.

What's with all of the comments on this thread being removed except those of the Apester Booster Club?

BTW, we rented the new PLANET OF THE APES movie for the kids this weekend. Did you realize that they have a picture of Ape Linkum at the end of the movie? If you know where a jpg of this 'true' Ape Linkum resides on the net and can direct me to same I would appreciate it.

206 posted on 05/01/2002 8:53:23 AM PDT by one2many
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To: WhiskeyPapa
Lincoln shared with Hitler, Stalin, and Mao s'Tung a fascination with the centralisation of government. They share a common heritage of genocide and murder.

Walt, I know that you said that you have never voted for a Republican in a National election, but even as a Clinton-Gore Democrat, you should be offended by Lincolon's rascism and hatred of his own "country men".

Whatever happened to "Government by the consent of the governed?" Government, "of the People, by the People, and for the People", died on the fields of Gettysburg, Shilo, and Vicksburg.

In the same way the 13 original colonies should be free of the British empire, so should the 13 states (and anyone else), who opposes the American empire, be free of the slavery of Washington--today.

We Southrons have fought your wars for over a century and a half.

You claim to be a Marine. I just retired fro the Marine Corps as a Lt.Col. Unlike you, I did not forget that I swore an oath to defend the "Constitution..against all enemies foreign and domestic", as opposed to the blind allegience to a piece of cloth.

One oath embraces the ideas of freedom, and limited government. The other embraces the idolatry to a piece of cloth.

A nationalist and a patriot are two different people. The first is a slave to the government. A patriot is dedicated to freedom.

Choose now who you shall serve....

I am conviced that the North, and West Coast is lost, so "I'll take my stand, to live and die, in Dixie", where we still remember what it was like, to be an "American".

For an independent, Christian, Southern nation

Larry Salley

335 posted on 06/17/2002 7:21:41 PM PDT by l8pilot
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