Vatican reaches out to Islamic world (well, they've come to the right place)

A mufti is basically a bishop..

ping!

So obvious . . . why didn't they think of this b4?

the Pope's advisers on inter-religious dialogue have always found it difficult to establish new connections with the Muslim world

Inter-religious dialogue?!? What's to talk about?

From the Palestinian Violence video:

"Have no mercy on the Jews, no matter where they are.
Fight them, wherever you are. Wherever you meet them, kill them.
Wherever you are, kill the Jews, the Americans who are like them, and those who stand by them.
They are all in one trench, against the Arabs and the Muslims.
They should be slaughtered. They should be murdered.
Such is the word of Allah."

- an Islamic mufti, broadcast on Pali TV

From MEMRI:

Sheikh Muhammad Sayyed Tantawi, top Imam of Al-Azhar University [Egypt], demanded that the Palestinian people, of all factions, intensify the martyrdom operations [i.e. suicide attacks] against the Zionist enemy, and described the martyrdom operations as the highest form of Jihad operations. He emphasized that every martyrdom operation against any Israeli, including children, women, and teenagers, is a legitimate act according to [Islamic] religious law, and an Islamic commandment, until the people of Palestine regain their land and cause the cruel Israeli aggression to retreat

and

"The solution to the Israeli terror lies in a proliferation of Fidai [martyrdom] attacks that strike horror into the hearts of the enemies of Allah. The Islamic countries, peoples and rulers alike, must support these martyrdom attacks."

- Sheikh Al-Tayyeb, Egypt’s new "moderate" mufti

and

"If it be through the death of Sharon or the death of Bush,
please brighten-up our hearts, O Lord,"

- Ayatollah Ahmad Jannati, head of Iran's powerful Guardian Council

and

"We must not stand in the way of the intifada and jihad [holy war].
Rather, we must stand at their side and encourage them."

- Sheikh Akrameh Sabri, Mufti of Jerusalem

and

"Islam makes it incumbent on all adult males, provided they are not disabled and incapacitated, to prepare themselves for the conquest of other [countries] so that the writ of Islam is obeyed in every country in the world. But those who study Islamic Holy War will understand why Islam wants to conquer the whole world...Those who know nothing of Islam pretend that Islam counsels against war. Those [who say this] are witless. Islam says: Kill all the unbelievers just as they would kill you all! Does this mean that Muslims should sit back until they are devoured [by the unbelievers]? Islam says: Kill them [the non-Muslims], put them to the sword and scatter [their armies]. Does this mean sitting back until [non-Muslims] overcome us? Islam says: Kill in the service of Allah those who may want to kill you! Does this mean that we should surrender to the enemy? Islam says: Whatever good there is exists thanks to the sword and in the shadow of the sword! People cannot be made obedient except with the sword! The sword is the key to Paradise, which can be opened only for Holy Warriors! There are hundreds of other [Koranic] psalms and Hadiths [sayings of the Prophet] urging Muslims to value war and to fight. Does all that mean that Islam is a religion that prevents men from waging war? I spit upon those foolish souls who make such a claim."

And more:

"These suicide attacks are the weapon that God gave to this nation, and no one can take it away. We tell Palestinians, stay tough. Our martyrs’ operations are laying the grounds for the coming victory. Do not listen to those who say these types of attacks go against Muslim Sharia (law). Those who say there are civilians and soldiers in Israel are mistaken. There are no civilians in Israeli society. All of them are invaders, collaborators in crimes and massacres, and it is for this reason that you must continue on your path"

- Sayyed Hassan Nasrallah, Hizbullah’s secretary-general

God bless the Turks if they can guide Islam. But I'm not holding my breath.

God bless the Turks if they can guide Islam.

They can't guide Islam. Perhaps, however, they can contain its political influence.

Vatican isn't getting much good press these days too. :(

Hold you breath, if it's going to keep you from posting this "trash", and I am not disputing it's genuine nature, on my threads.

I bought an A&E documentary on the crusades. It's a two DVD set. Awesome. You should check it out. These pals of Usame lived a thousand years ago as Christians. Incredible, but true.

Would that make it a crusade?

The rape of young boys hushed for decades and decades? Maybe centuries? That's gotto be cleaned up, I'd think.

Yes. And it seems at some level there was a "let it all hang out" strategy after years of lawsuits, tragedies. Probably the idea of a lawyer. Ir doesn't seem to have taken hold in various areas, though.

Hold you breath, if it's going to keep you from posting this "trash", and I am not disputing it's genuine nature, on my threads.

What type of "trash" are you looking for? My "trash" seemed pertinent.

Nice. Pull out quotes from individuals to smear an entire religion. Want to hear some quotes just as bad from Ehrenburg and Zinoviev? What is the purpose of trying to denigrate a long time friend and ally of the United States? Make every Muslim in the world hate Americans as much as they hate Jews? Is that the goal?

I hate to have to keep reading about what some idiot (like the Ayetullah) feels he has to puke up. Just plain sick of it. It's not my religion, it's the crap pouring out of some idiots mouth.

And as far as the Koran and the Jews, that's what was going on way back then. It has no bearing on how I treat Jews and Christians today.

The words of the Ayetullah are trash. I'm sick of reading that stuff. You'd probably feel the same way about some of the evangelists.. What was that guy's name who got caught with the prostitute about ten years ago? Or the guy (Tammy Faye's hubby Jim) who got busted ripping off the IRS?

And the Palestinians? They have a beef with Israel, and some are willing to fight to the death. That's their prorogative, none of mine. Am I going to fall in with them just because we are of the same "religion?" Hell no. Just like most Catholics and Protestants won't go to Ireland to learn Irish and fight each other.

There are those of us, like the Pope and I, who could sit and talk, without trying to one up each other. Then there those who can't...

Right on Turk. Now that the Turks have given it up, can Christendom be far behind?

So obvious . . . why didn't they think of this b4?

He has. This Pope is a very special, patient man. He started out by visiting Turkey in the late 1970s, testing the waters by praying at the Hagia Sophia. Nobody gave him any flak about it.

Dude, I think you're missing what's really going on here. A radical segment of the Islamic faith is trying to hijack the whole religion. It's what I imagine would have happened in Christianity if people like Jim Jones had been much, much more successful. We don't do ourselves or the world any good by buying into the "Clash of Civilizations" propaganda that bin Laden and his ilk are trying to sell us.

given it up

Given what up? The bunk dare one wonder?

What ho ... a "Catholic" thread from the BBC, no less!

I should say, "what would have happened in modern-day Christianity." It's absolutely correct to say that some Christian sects/movements 1000 years weren't any prettier than what we're seeing today with bin Laden.

I am definitely against pedophilia in any form, in any place, but at this point in time the stupidity of some people may backfire so badly they will regret it. In Europe and many other places, the Cross (the Roman Catholics) is uniting with the Crescent against the Star of David. You have to be really stupid to play this kind of media baloney, and before you know, you're going to have the Cross and the Crescent right against you. It is not the upper eschelon of the Roman Catholic hierarchy, it's the little guy in Europe and many other places who is saying 'the Star of David is trying to destroy us.' I wish some stupid people in the media would realize that the battle against the Cross and Crescent is unwinnable.

8 posted on 4/22/02 8:08 PM Pacificby Tasha

There we go. Crescent and Cross against the Star of David, and us.