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Democrats vs. Safire
Forward.com ^ | April 26, 2001 | Staff

Posted on 04/28/2002 1:30:15 PM PDT by buzzyboop

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To: A Vast RightWing Conspirator
Are the "American voters who are Jewish" American? I hope so, because there is a hint in this article that they care about some foreign country almost as much or more than they care about the country they should view as their own.

That's interesting. It makes me wonder if you are an Islamic Terrorist sympathizer/supporter.

21 posted on 04/28/2002 3:35:00 PM PDT by a_witness
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To: LarryLied
Remember those recent rallies across America for Israel?

Yes, did you go to any ?
Or were you at the Islamic Terrorist/Nazi rallies instead ?

22 posted on 04/28/2002 3:36:17 PM PDT by a_witness
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To: Torie
Safire's piece was stupid

His specific examples were a bit specious, but the fact remains that the leftist wing, and Blacks, who are more than a third of the Dem Party are, shall we say, ambivalent on this issue at best. (The Black Caucus in the House, in particular).

The Dems foesee some losses here, no doubt, especially in fund raising . Why the big defense, if not true?

23 posted on 04/28/2002 3:45:50 PM PDT by Nonstatist
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To: Nonstatist
Safire didn't slam the left wing of the Dem party, or the black caucus. He slammed the leadership. And of course the leadership is totally pro Israel. In fact, lately they have been opportunistically slamming Bush was appeasing Arafat. The piece was ludicrous.
24 posted on 04/28/2002 3:48:51 PM PDT by Torie
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To: Torie
Most of the leaders of the Democratic Party and its liberal media voices distanced themselves from Israel

Well, he's half right, then (unless you think of CNN, et al as "unbiased").. But you're right, the leadership in the Senate and House, at least in words if not action, is behind Israel.

25 posted on 04/28/2002 3:56:12 PM PDT by Nonstatist
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To: Nonstatist
You nailed it.
Like the old cliche about telling so many lies that you can't keep them straight, the Scumocrat Party has played so many sides and told so many lies that they are getting themselves confused. And exposed.

The Democrat Party is the "black" party, but they also count on the liberal Jewish vote. Their problem, of course, is that blacks have a basic dislike for Jews. (My father once told me about a "changing" Philadelphia neighborhood where a black couple was shown a home in the white Mount Airy section and asked the seller, who was a friend of my father, "There aren't any Jews around here, are there?" This was thirty years ago.)

Since blacks are not particularly "friends of Israel" or friends of Jews in general, the Scumocrats gotta play it real close to the chest when dealing with their Jewish constituency. They have to get real creative with their lies and duplicity and it just isn't working. Even with all the practice they've had lying to the nation's 'hosts' while taxing them to death in order to buy the votes of the nation's parasites.

They are in a pickle, the Scumocrats are.

26 posted on 04/28/2002 4:06:26 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: Torie
Gee, I didn't think the Safire piece was ludicrous. The fact is that Democrats are much more likely than Republicans to want us to follow the lead of Europe, much more likely to fear the use of American military power, much more likely to try to "understand" Third World violence. The Republican support for Israel stems from basic principles. Democratic support for Israel stems from being "bought" by Jewish money and votes. But I don't see why Jews should trust politicians who are only bought, as compared to politicians who really believe in defending one's own country--whether that country is America or Israel.
27 posted on 04/28/2002 4:37:19 PM PDT by noirgirl
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To: The Electrician
No doubt you also believe that Americans of Irish ancestry who care about the "problems" in Northern Ireland are equally suspect? And no doubt you would side with the people who expressed alarm that Catholics (such as JFK) would be taking orders from the Pope? and so forth, ad nauseum?

Almost exactly so. For your further enlightment, here is the 'Oath of Citizenship'. No doubt you agree with everything below, right?

I hereby declare, on oath, that I absolutely and entirely renounce and abjure all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state, or sovereignty of whom or which I have heretofore been a subject or citizen; that I will support and defend the Constitution and laws of the United States of America against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I will bear arms on behalf of the United States when required by law; that I will perform noncombatant service in the Armed Forces of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform work of national importance under civilian direction when required by the law; and that I take this obligation freely without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; so help me God. In acknowledgement whereof I have hereunto affixed my signature.

No doubt that the above applies to the Jews and no doubtr that we expect everyone to "entirely renounce and abjure all allegiance and fidelity". Right?

28 posted on 04/29/2002 5:18:11 AM PDT by A Vast RightWing Conspirator
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To: a_witness
That's interesting. It makes me wonder if you are an Islamic Terrorist sympathizer/supporter.

It makes me wonder whether you always play with yourself before expressing your 'thoughts' in writing.

29 posted on 04/29/2002 5:21:08 AM PDT by A Vast RightWing Conspirator
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To: A Vast RightWing Conspirator
No, you've gotten it completely wrong. Please make a serious attempt at reading comprehension before you cite "evidence" that does not support your flawed arguments.

I hereby declare, on oath, that I absolutely and entirely renounce and abjure all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state, or sovereignty of whom or which I have heretofore been a subject or citizen

Of the millions of American Jews, only a miniscule, tiny fraction of them have ever been subjects or citizens of Israel. And so, simply being a Jew and supporting Israel is no different than being one of many millions of American Christians who also support Israel.

BTW, you seem to be confused on a different topic, too. The "Oath of Citizenship" is sworn by immigrants who wish to become naturalized American citizens. However, the great majority of Jews in the United States were born in the United States and thus became United States citizens from birth. And so even if the "Oath of Citizenship" required people to declare that the moon was made of green cheese, it would have no standing or importance to people who are not required to swear that oath. Are you a United States citizen? Were you required to swear an "Oath of Citizenship"? If so, when, how, and why?

It's pretty clear that your contentions hold no water whatsoever.

30 posted on 04/29/2002 6:09:17 AM PDT by The Electrician
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To: The Electrician
The best thing that happened to Clinton's party was Clinton's departure from power.

Now, his successors no longer waste their time with debating the meanings of 'is'. They are into a lot more serious business, such as deconstructing the concept of 'citizenship'.

I would assume that your misguided comments are suggested that U.S.-born citizens are free to: absolutely and entirely maintain and nurture all allegiances and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state, or sovereignty of whom or which they or their ancestors or their enthnic brethren have heretofore been a subject or citizen;

More, since they are 'born' here, not naturalized, they do not need to support and defend the Constitution and laws of the United States of America against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; or bear arms on behalf of the United States when required by law; etc. etc.

Congratulations, Clinton disciple. You've learned your lesson well. Of course, you need not feel shame. Clinton's disciples know not the meaning of it.

31 posted on 04/29/2002 6:43:48 AM PDT by A Vast RightWing Conspirator
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To: A Vast RightWing Conspirator
No, actually it is you who is being Clintonesque in trying to make words mean what they do not mean. And in trying to put words into my mouth that I would never utter. And in attempting to ascribe to me ideas that I don't believe and would never convey. It's the same old Clintonist tactic of setting up a phony bogey man that you then demolish.

In a prior post on this very thread you bristled when someone else painted you as possibly being "an Islamic Terrorist sympathizer/supporter". If you don't appreciate being mischaracterized, why do you insist on mischaracterizing the thoughts and words and actions of others?

On the contrary, I am a staunch defender of the Constitution. Your arguments, however, do not even have the appearance of being grounded in the Constitution. You seem to have misread it. You are trying to "prove" an indefensible smear - namely that American Jews are traitors. And so you should not be surprised when people challenge the smear with facts, or when people contradict your false arguments.

32 posted on 04/29/2002 6:57:21 AM PDT by The Electrician
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To: A Vast RightWing Conspirator
It makes me wonder whether you always play with yourself before expressing your 'thoughts' in writing.

Are you prowling for teens ?

33 posted on 04/29/2002 7:29:39 PM PDT by a_witness
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