Posted on 04/28/2002 1:28:05 PM PDT by NY.SS-Bar9
Here are the scores:
0.22 | CF | ||||||||||||||||
Slow | X | Timed | X | Rapid | X | TOTAL .22 | Slow | X | Timed | X | Rapid | X | TOTAL CF | ||||
M1911 | 87 | 1 | 83 | 0 | 74 | 0 | 244 | 1 | 75 | 0 | 57 | 0 | 76 | 0 | 208 | 0 | 452 |
CTdonath2 | 90 | 0 | 73 | 2 | 76 | 1 | 239 | 3 | 79 | 2 | 68 | 1 | 58 | 1 | 205 | 4 | 444 |
5madman2 | 89 | 1 | 90 | 0 | 91 | 1 | 270 | 2 | 83 | 0 | 85 | 1 | 77 | 0 | 245 | 1 | 515 |
umgud | 100 | 1 | 94 | 2 | 83 | 0 | 277 | 3 | 98 | 4 | 87 | 0 | 78 | 0 | 263 | 4 | 540 |
Cap&Ball | 69 | 0 | 73 | 0 | 72 | 0 | 214 | 0 | 60 | 0 | 64 | 0 | 60 | 0 | 184 | 0 | 398 |
Shooter 2.5 | 98 | 4 | 92 | 2 | 83 | 1 | 273 | 7 | 98 | 5 | 87 | 1 | 87 | 0 | 272 | 6 | 545 |
Freedomlover | 81 | 2 | 89 | 0 | 81 | 1 | 251 | 3 | 75 | 0 | 78 | 1 | 83 | 0 | 236 | 1 | 487 |
Barnacle | 79 | 0 | 81 | 1 | 82 | 0 | 242 | 1 | 82 | 2 | 54 | 0 | 17 | 0 | 153 | 2 | 395 |
Ibbryn | 0 | 0 | 79 | 1 | 78 | 0 | 157 | 1 | 82 | 0 | 75 | 0 | 43 | 0 | 200 | 0 | 357 |
Mrs. Ibbrryn | 82 | 1 | 82 | 1 | 79 | 0 | 243 | 2 | 93 | 1 | 72 | 0 | 61 | 0 | 226 | 1 | 469 |
Chookter | 94 | 4 | 93 | 1 | 94 | 2 | 281 | 7 | 83 | 0 | 76 | 0 | 77 | 0 | 236 | 0 | 517 |
NY.SS-Bar9 | 96 | 1 | 91 | 4 | 93 | 1 | 280 | 6 | 85 | 2 | 91 | 1 | 80 | 1 | 256 | 4 | 536 |
Average | 80.4 | 1.3 | 85.0 | 1.2 | 82.2 | 0.6 | 247.6 | 3.0 | 82.8 | 1.3 | 74.5 | 0.4 | 66.4 | 0.2 | 223.7 | 1.9 | 471.3 |
High aggregate score | |||||||||||||||||
Shooter2.5 | 545 | ||||||||||||||||
High Rimfire aggregate | |||||||||||||||||
Chookter | 281 | ||||||||||||||||
High centerfire aggregate | |||||||||||||||||
Shooter2.5 | 272 | ||||||||||||||||
High single target | |||||||||||||||||
umgud | 100 | ||||||||||||||||
You have a much nicer rug than I do. ;)
The distance from the center of the trigger to the barrel axis is incredibly short and may even be shorter than my 1911.
I read articles that report excellent accuracy. I'll have to get back to everyone on that one when I can get to the range. Maybe Thursday.
What is it good for?
I'm not going to try to answer that question.
It's the kind of gun that when a gang banger pulls out his Lorcin or Jennings, you pull this monster out and say, "you call that a gun? This is a gun" (A la Crocodile Dundee)
This thread deserves a little more exposure.
Yesterday, I went to the shooting lease despite the chance of a storm and a windy conditions. I bought a box of PMC jacketed .357 because I hadn't even looked for my reloads in months and I didn't want to use lead in the new gun.
Loading the first six, I decided to just shoot into the berm and see if it would work. I fired my first shot double action and when I was bringing the gun down to the ready position, I reached my finger to find the trigger again and I accidently fired a second shot. I wasn't even aware that I touched the trigger. I am going to have to get used to a single action trigger that is too light. Firing the last of the rounds, I opened the cylinder and found one more round that I hadn't fired. I lined up the round and pulled the trigger. Nothing. I tried three more times until I finally woke up to remember that the gun fires in the six o'clock position. I knew that and I told everyone but habits die hard.
I tried emptying the cyinder, and the rounds wouldn't come out. The ejector rod had rust and oil on it and it was very stiff. Throughout the firing, It was very hard to eject any of the rounds out of the cylinder. It cleaned up after I returned home but it didn't do me any good while I was out there.
Accuracy was wonderful. It was too bad that I wasn't doing my part. I noticed that there weren't any arrows on the sight so I left the adjustment alone until I could read the manual again. Sight adjustments are made on the front sight because of interchangeable barrels like a Dan Wesson. It was shooting low and to the right from 25 yards like the picture shows. I let my buddy shoot it and I didn't notice any movement from the top part because it was too fast. Muzzle flip wasn't bad and the other pictures captured that. I didn't notice any at all when I was firing.
I would have loved to shoot rapidly as fast as I can but I wanted to get used to it first.
Overall, it's a little top heavy, expensive and teaches habits that need training. The workmanship is outstanding, it's very accurate and feels great. If it's as fast on the next round that I think it is, a steel plate competition would be a lot of fun. The distance from the middle of the trigger to the bore is the same as a 1911, 1 1/2 inches. Reloading is a little awkward since I never learned how to do a revolver and the cylinder latch is located where it would be close to a speed loader.
I would recommend buying this if you collect firearms with the idea of owning an original. This is a true collector's piece and not a manufactured, one out of a thousand, medalioned, copy of something.
Hope so, even though I would finish near the bottom of the pack.
Make it a stock military rifle match, iron sights, no slings, standing with about 4 targets all the same and I think you can get a lot of people involved. Add any .22 rifle with open sights that isn't a match grade and I think you have enough people to compete.
I understand what you mean about the standing vs non-standing in a 100 yard match. At my monthly match, we shoot 20 in the slow standing and only 10 on the slow prone, because the experts, masters, and high-masters shoot the centers out on the slow prone at 100 yards, and 20 rounds get lost in the resulting hole. I average 65-70% standing and 80% rapid sitting, prone, and slow prone. That might be the way to go. I hadnt thought of allowing rimfire 22s. Why do you think so? Surely there are enough folks with center fire rifle calibers to fill out a match.
If you're shooting a Garand, there is a inexpensive booklet by the NRA on accurizing one. I was able to shoot 420 by redoing some of the parts of the Garand without changing the collector value. The key is the gas cylinder. It has to be tight. I also put a couple of lead filled copper tubings into the cleaning kit compartment in the stock. In the standing, a big help in is the shooting jacket. Getting a good one is like standing up against a tree. I won't use any equipment in our Freeper Match and I think we shouldn't allow jackets, slings or spotter scopes, match rifles or match ammo.
I am shooting a Garand, I'll look for the book you refrenced from the NRA. I found what seems to be a pretty good link on the web for inexpensive accurizing at the Garand Collectors page:
http://www.garandcollector.org/Articles/accuracy.htm
One of the Masters at my monthly match showed me the trick with the lead filled copper pipes held in with springs in the buttstock. I just got a Creedmore jacket for Xmas, very nice, I really feel "locked-in" using it. I also got a shooting glove, but I'm not comfortable with it yet.
I'll email you if I can get the targets and ask your input for the rules/details of the match, I like your idea about no jacket, slings, or spotting scopes. It will make it more inviting for those without all the gear.
Time and resources permitting maybe follow up with a blackpowder match.
When you shoot standing,use a stool to rest the rifle butt between shots since your shooting 20. A really good scope is supposed to be the Meade 90 spotter scope. It's supposed to let the user see .22 holes at ridiculous ranges. The problem is that eye pieces that come with it aren't sized for 200 yards. At 100 and a .30 cal., you can use just about anything.
The target can be anything. In fact you should be able to find a good 100 yard target anywhere. We don't need that bed sheet size now that we shooting rifles.
If you need practice for the wind, go to shooterready.com
I inhale and tighten my jacket to that. I noticed that if I restrict my breathing, I'm in trouble and that's not what the jacket is for. I tighten the last buckles as tight as I can then spread my legs to that. If you have a rifle with a scope, stand near a window with the action open and practice with that. You don't have to pull the trigger, just keep the crosshairs steady.
But I do so I'm not. I generally sit on my back porch with a loaded shotgun and .22 in the evenings, on the off chance I need to kill something that day. I'll never understand how the crows know, but they do...
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