First Freeper Postal Match Results!

Freerepublic ^ | 4/28/02 | NY.SS-Bar9

[NY.SS-Bar9]

I'm jealous !

You have a much nicer rug than I do. ;)

[Shooter 2.5]

Bath towel. < snicker >

[ctdonath2]

Amusing! Suppose somebody has to monkey with alternate designs. (BTW: the "automatic revolver" is not a new concept, though the mechanism for yours may be.) Tell us how it works, both mechanically and performance. And what it's good for.

[Shooter 2.5]

From what I can tell there is a camming action as the top part moves to the rear that pushes the pawl in order to rotate the cylinder. The hammer is cocked by the top part moving to the rear and riding over the hammer. The cylinder also doesn't have the cylinder lock cuts on the outside of the cylinder to marr the surface.

The distance from the center of the trigger to the barrel axis is incredibly short and may even be shorter than my 1911.

I read articles that report excellent accuracy. I'll have to get back to everyone on that one when I can get to the range. Maybe Thursday.

What is it good for?
I'm not going to try to answer that question.

[5Madman2]

Ahh yes, the gun we buy that has no practical purpose or use that we can justify to our wife. I am quite familiar with it. Mine is a SW K frame .357 with a six inch Bull barrel that's about as big around as a broomstick, maybe bigger, with a Bo-Mar rib sight. I couldn't think of a good reason to buy it other than I wanted the thing as soon as I saw it. Kept it in the Gun safe for a while and then the wife figured it had always been there.

It's the kind of gun that when a gang banger pulls out his Lorcin or Jennings, you pull this monster out and say, "you call that a gun? This is a gun" (A la Crocodile Dundee)

[NY.SS-Bar9]

BTTT -

This thread deserves a little more exposure.

[Shooter 2.5]

Yesterday, I went to the shooting lease despite the chance of a storm and a windy conditions. I bought a box of PMC jacketed .357 because I hadn't even looked for my reloads in months and I didn't want to use lead in the new gun.

Loading the first six, I decided to just shoot into the berm and see if it would work. I fired my first shot double action and when I was bringing the gun down to the ready position, I reached my finger to find the trigger again and I accidently fired a second shot. I wasn't even aware that I touched the trigger. I am going to have to get used to a single action trigger that is too light. Firing the last of the rounds, I opened the cylinder and found one more round that I hadn't fired. I lined up the round and pulled the trigger. Nothing. I tried three more times until I finally woke up to remember that the gun fires in the six o'clock position. I knew that and I told everyone but habits die hard.

I tried emptying the cyinder, and the rounds wouldn't come out. The ejector rod had rust and oil on it and it was very stiff. Throughout the firing, It was very hard to eject any of the rounds out of the cylinder. It cleaned up after I returned home but it didn't do me any good while I was out there.

Accuracy was wonderful. It was too bad that I wasn't doing my part. I noticed that there weren't any arrows on the sight so I left the adjustment alone until I could read the manual again. Sight adjustments are made on the front sight because of interchangeable barrels like a Dan Wesson. It was shooting low and to the right from 25 yards like the picture shows. I let my buddy shoot it and I didn't notice any movement from the top part because it was too fast. Muzzle flip wasn't bad and the other pictures captured that. I didn't notice any at all when I was firing.

I would have loved to shoot rapidly as fast as I can but I wanted to get used to it first.

Overall, it's a little top heavy, expensive and teaches habits that need training. The workmanship is outstanding, it's very accurate and feels great. If it's as fast on the next round that I think it is, a steel plate competition would be a lot of fun. The distance from the middle of the trigger to the bore is the same as a 1911, 1 1/2 inches. Reloading is a little awkward since I never learned how to do a revolver and the cylinder latch is located where it would be close to a speed loader.

I would recommend buying this if you collect firearms with the idea of owning an original. This is a true collector's piece and not a manufactured, one out of a thousand, medalioned, copy of something.

[Shooter 2.5]

Yes, I agree. I wonder if Wallace is still thinking about the rifle match?

[NY.SS-Bar9]

....still thinking about the rifle match...

Hope so, even though I would finish near the bottom of the pack.

[CapandBall]

On the subject of a rifle match, I'm off to my monthly high power rifle NM tomorrow. It is a 100 yard range, so the SR-1, SR-21, and MR-31 targets are used. I'm gonna see if they will sell enough targets so I can sponsor an FR postal High Power rifle match. I have not broken 400 yet, so I know I'll be getting my ass kicked here(again). If I can get enough targets, I'll offer entry to the participants of this pistol match first, then open it up to the rest of Free Republic.

[Shooter 2.5]

You better make it a standing match. I'm averaging 470 with 99's and 98's in the sitting, low 90's in the rapid prone and slow fire prone. My standing needs work.

Make it a stock military rifle match, iron sights, no slings, standing with about 4 targets all the same and I think you can get a lot of people involved. Add any .22 rifle with open sights that isn't a match grade and I think you have enough people to compete.

[CapandBall]

No luck getting a lot of the 100 yard targets at my gun club, but I did up my personal best 11 points to 376, I may make sharpshooter yet. I'm using CMP ball ammo, I may have to learn to reload 30-06, I cant justify the price to buy match. I got an address where I can mail order targets. I'll search the internet and seen what I can find.

I understand what you mean about the standing vs non-standing in a 100 yard match. At my monthly match, we shoot 20 in the slow standing and only 10 on the slow prone, because the experts, masters, and high-masters shoot the centers out on the slow prone at 100 yards, and 20 rounds get lost in the resulting hole. I average 65-70% standing and 80% rapid sitting, prone, and slow prone. That might be the way to go. I hadnt thought of allowing rimfire 22s. Why do you think so? Surely there are enough folks with center fire rifle calibers to fill out a match.

[Shooter 2.5]

I just thought that we could make it as close to the other match as possible in order to avoid confusion. It may even bring out some people who just own .22 rifles and then could borrow the centerfire. Two or three targets for centerfire and two or three for the rimfire. A total of four or six targets.

If you're shooting a Garand, there is a inexpensive booklet by the NRA on accurizing one. I was able to shoot 420 by redoing some of the parts of the Garand without changing the collector value. The key is the gas cylinder. It has to be tight. I also put a couple of lead filled copper tubings into the cleaning kit compartment in the stock. In the standing, a big help in is the shooting jacket. Getting a good one is like standing up against a tree. I won't use any equipment in our Freeper Match and I think we shouldn't allow jackets, slings or spotter scopes, match rifles or match ammo.

[CapandBall]

I like the idea of 22 and centerfire, sort of like the pistol match. I'll try and get 6x15 targets.

I am shooting a Garand, I'll look for the book you refrenced from the NRA. I found what seems to be a pretty good link on the web for inexpensive accurizing at the Garand Collectors page:
http://www.garandcollector.org/Articles/accuracy.htm

One of the Masters at my monthly match showed me the trick with the lead filled copper pipes held in with springs in the buttstock. I just got a Creedmore jacket for Xmas, very nice, I really feel "locked-in" using it. I also got a shooting glove, but I'm not comfortable with it yet.

I'll email you if I can get the targets and ask your input for the rules/details of the match, I like your idea about no jacket, slings, or spotting scopes. It will make it more inviting for those without all the gear.

Time and resources permitting maybe follow up with a blackpowder match.

[Shooter 2.5]

The book is called the M1 Rifle. Other books you might look at are High Power Rifle by G. David Tubb and the book series by James Owens at jarheadtop.com. I highly recommend the Jim Owens books. Too bad the pictures are almost a waste of time because they're xeroxed.

When you shoot standing,use a stool to rest the rifle butt between shots since your shooting 20. A really good scope is supposed to be the Meade 90 spotter scope. It's supposed to let the user see .22 holes at ridiculous ranges. The problem is that eye pieces that come with it aren't sized for 200 yards. At 100 and a .30 cal., you can use just about anything.

The target can be anything. In fact you should be able to find a good 100 yard target anywhere. We don't need that bed sheet size now that we shooting rifles.

If you need practice for the wind, go to shooterready.com

[CapandBall]

Thanks for the book notes. I have noticied some of the experts doing that (rest) with the stool between shots. I need to pace myself, I'm usually done in 10 minutes, and I'm tired halfway thur. I just got a good spotting scope, what a difference it has made. Started out with a cheap $59 tasco that, while 45x, focus was poor and light gathering poorer, I could'nt hardly see my shots in the black. I havent noticed much effect from wind at 100yds and a 30-06, no doubt at 2, 3, and 600 if would really come into play. I know the guys shooting .223 have to factor it in.

[Shooter 2.5]

It can be just a simple camp stool. Since it's getting to be springtime, you should be able to find one with no trouble. I still have my old piece of carpeting. I use it when it's muddy to save my mat. I have a Kowa spotter scope and it was important to me to have the 45 degree angle. I use it on a low height on the standing and then put the butt of the rifle on the stool and at the same time, look through the scope. When you shoot, keep your natural point of aim by moving your rear foot. Don't move your feet after that. When I try to find the target, I move from the left and drift to the right until I get to the target. sometimes as long as you're in the black, take the shot. It will still give you a good score of 90% or better.

I inhale and tighten my jacket to that. I noticed that if I restrict my breathing, I'm in trouble and that's not what the jacket is for. I tighten the last buckles as tight as I can then spread my legs to that. If you have a rifle with a scope, stand near a window with the action open and practice with that. You don't have to pull the trigger, just keep the crosshairs steady.

[CapandBall]

If I didnt live in the country, I might be concerned about being seen standing in an open window, pointing a scoped rifle outside, (bolt open or not)! ;^0

But I do so I'm not. I generally sit on my back porch with a loaded shotgun and .22 in the evenings, on the off chance I need to kill something that day. I'll never understand how the crows know, but they do...

[Shooter 2.5]

I live in the suburbs and I have a international parking sign[red circle and slash] about 200 yards away. I don't have to have the lights on in the house when I do this and I'm not exactly at the window. I have set up rifles on the dining room table and bore sighted on occasions. I'm half way across the room from the windows when I do this and the bolt is out even when I'm practicing. After cleaning and before the bolts or bolt carriers on the AR is reinstalled is a good time to practice. With the Garand, you can keep the chamber flag in the action just to be safe.

[NY.SS-Bar9]

Dont forget to ping me if this happens.
I'm new to highpower rifle, but would love the chance to participate ("compete" dosen't describe my skill... yet).