Posted on 04/27/2002 5:25:11 PM PDT by Pokey78
European history has consisted of population transfers, expulsions, and invasions for four thousand years. Most of them have involved moving actual populations, sometimes their complete destruction, and not moving a people with no real history as a nation a few dozen miles. The idea that the Europeans have any moral standing to condemn the survivors of a massacre that the Europeans perpetrated 60 years ago in their need to ensure their survival is too ridiculous to comment on.
In any case, the Europeans are beginning to come to the realization that they are in a fight against the Islamists for their own survival, and that fight is likely to become increasingly bloody as the months and years go by. This realization has been shown in the last couple of years by the rapid rise of the European right and far-right. When the Europeans start killing their own Arabs, they are hardly likely to quibble at what the Israelis do.
Yes, well, in that case all bets are off. But again, Israel is not going threaten nukes against Europe.
You are spot-on, I think, about Israel's future if she attempts the transfer. She'd go the way of Austria-Hungary and no one would lift a finger to help her. Even Sharon must know this.
So what do we do with the followers of Bela Kun, Leon Trotsky, Lazar Kaganovitch, Rosa Schwartz,Jacob Yurovsky,Genrikh Yagoda,Matvei Berman,Naftaly Frenkel,Isaac Babel,Ilya Ehrenburg,Solomon Morel and Yevgeny Khaldei?
They were involved in a Holocaust which lasted 8 decades.
Finnish, Irish, and German Jewish actually. A little too much Jewish blood for you, I take it?
How well do you think Bush sleeps each night knowing the decisions he makes today help to shape the future of the world over the next 20 years? Whew! That's a load to carry.
And if they start klling their local Muslim populations, God help us all.
There is one basic Oslo perception that I have not seen challenged by Israeli commentators: that Israel cannot rule the West Bank indefinitely without unacceptable costs of more than one kind. The frustration is that there is no present alternative to doing so that isn't worse.
Any two-state solution has to leave Israel with more defensible borders than the '49 borders, and acknowledge the right of Jews to buy land and live in the West Bank; it cannot mean the destruction of the Jewish state by millions of "returning" Palestinians or the establishment of a Murder Inc. with the resources of a state on Israel's borders. There seems to be no way to accomplish that with presently available Palestinian leadership and the nihilistic mood which they have inculcated in at least significant sectors of Palestinian society.
I don't think there is any solution to this without a major shake-up of the strategic balance in the region. Regime change in Iraq and Iran, and at the very least the thorough intimidation of Syria, could be the shake-up required. I don't have a plan; but change will bring new possibilities. What role might Jordan play if Iraq and Iran were no longer threats and Boy Assad lost control of body functions every time he thought about US Special Forces? A post-Saddam Jordanian-Iraqi Mandate in the West Bank and Gaza? Who knows? But instability is our friend and Israel's friend in a region where the status quo just festers and breeds child-killers.
See Is Jordan Palestine?, an older article by Daniel Pipes and Adam Garfinkle, which shows why the "Jordan is Palestine" idea is not really good for Israel.
Why has that simple,inescapable fact been overlooked for so long? The bottom line is Israel was willing to give the terrorist Arafat autonomy despite continued violence from him and his criminal followers. By grasping at the Roman entity named by Romans 2000 years ago,the people calling themselves Palestinians have attempted to justify their violence toward Jews. Its all about hating the Jews and nothing at all to do with autonomy.If it was about land,why dont the Saudis give them some? The Iranians?
This gets old,Im starting to post the same thing over and over again; Palestine doesnt exist and the only it will is through Israeli indulgence. They have been patient long enough. Now that the Israelis are kicking their ass,after years of speakable barbarism directed at them by these animals,the french,the EU,and plenty of people right here in America are crying foul.Well,tough,you reap what you sow,and terrorism has been sown for so long,the harvest this year is a bleak one.
Either play ball nicely,Mr.Arafat,or get the hell out of Israel.
No it won't. There are lot of Israeli citizens who are Arabs, Christian as well as Muslim, some are even members of the Israeli legislature. They would remain. For you see it's not Arabs, or even Muslims that the Israelies have problems with, it's the one's who send their young to blow themselves up in hope of killing a Jew or three that they have problems with. Israel has alwasy had Arab citizens, with full citizen's rights, (although the Muslims are exempt from the draft, they may join the IDF voluntarily and some do, as well as Druze and Christians) Can the same be said of Jews in Arab/Muslim countires, other than Turkey.
If France, as the leading European diplomatic power takes part in an intervention against the survival of the Israeli state, an Israeli submarine would be perfectly capable of delivering an Israeli nuclear device into the port of Marseilles. If they take your idea seriously, maybe they have already delivered one, or even shipped it to Paris, just in case.
I don't know how he does it. Any of them. They are all heroes in my book. We are living in very dangerous times, and we are just coming off an 8 year vacation from reality.
As for China, there is very little we can do. They are on the ascent. They will be our rival in the coming decades. Neither side wants war now. And so the diplomatic battlefield is important--we must secure the Europeans and win Russia. We must neutralize Pakistan. We must get at least armed neutrality from India. But, imo, Russia is the key to Central Asia, aka the Chinese frontier. In this way, we may hope to contain China until relations are normalized and stabilized 40 or so years from now.
Why should he, he has far better things to do with his time.
How do you figure that? The muslims committed 911, the attack on the USS Cole and the first bombing of the WTC. Allah is the one who commands the infidels to submit to his savage ways or die. There are no Jewish homicide bombers, only muslim. The Jews force no one to convert to their religion. Jews believe in representative government, the muslims believe in religious-fascist dictatorships. Your statement makes no sense, unless you just hate Jews for no logical reason of course.
You are quite uninformed. Maybe that explains your position.
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