Copper Sunday - a Message to the Catholic Bishops

4/26/2002 | me

[Domestic Church]

"I think the strategy is great but it's wishful thinking to suppose that a single "copper sunday" will achieve the 4 point objective. We're dealing here with sexual predators who have been entrenched for decades if not for centuries. The only way to defeat them and regain control of the church is to implement "copper sunday" and keep it in place until full compliance with the objectives is realized."

YES!!! It could take a repeat or 3 or 4 until the folks in the hierarchy wake up...the Copper Sunday is an alarm clock with a 7 day interval on the snooze button...they will hit the snooze before really waking up. It is important to repeat the Copper Sunday as necessary until a definitive statement comes out. Then we can put into the collection basket all that we have withheld.

[Renatus]

I will further remind the Holy Father it is these degenerates that are attacking the sanctity of the family,

Don't forget to mention that those who practice artificial forms of birth control are also attacking the sanctity of the family. They too are degenerates.

[Domestic Church]

Cardinal Bevilacqua just mandated one strike and you are out, no buts about it, for the Philadelhia Archdiocese!!!! He's not waiting for the others..God Bless him for his iron spine.

[Nubbin]

I'm going to write a check in the amount I usually do, then write the word VOID across it in big, fat, bold letters, and tape a penny to it. If the Catholic Family Association of America adopts the idea and publishes it, I will also enclose their article in the envelope. That's my idea anyway, but it will feel strange to do this.

[nina0113]

Here in Arlington Diocese, our Bishop didn't need to get the word. I understand that Lincoln's Bishop Bruskewitz & Denver's Bishop Chaput run their dioceses the same way. Though Chaput may have altar girls, I'm not sure. Arlington & Lincoln sure don't.

I hope people in dioceses with a problem (vast understatement) do redirect donations, then when they have the big Bishop's Conference in June, Loverde, Bruskewitz & Chaput can say "Gee, people aren't supporting YOU? WE don't seem to have a problem."

If "Copper Sunday" is just done across the board, in every parish in every diocese regardless of priest or bishop activity, that looks more like a lack of support for the Church in general than a lack of support for a particular Millstone-award candidate.

[chatham]

There is a current group in Wellesly called VOTF voice of the faithful who are attempting to set up an alternate way of donating to charities you choose instead of directly to the church you may belong to.

Check them out at www.votf.org.

These guys in the hierarchy will only understand when the money stops and they have to give up their opulent lifestyle, NOT BEFORE!

[history_matters]

Yes, that could be the misinterpretation. In such a case I would recommend a note with the penny in an envelope.

You could then direct your offering to a ministry in your parish or simply deliver your Sunday offering to the parish office during the week and still place the penny with a note in the collection basket.

[history_matters]

I understand your situation. Perhaps you and your parish could write your bishop a letter stating the four concerns and asking for his involvement to create a solution that honors Christ and sustains His Church.

[history_matters]

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[Notwithstanding]

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[aculeus]

Thanks for pinging me. Not to brag, but this is my idea, proposed originally to Domestic Church on a thread which has since been deleted. (Thanks a lot, site pests).

References follow:

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Posted by aculeus to Domestic Church
On News/Activism Apr 12 8:49 PM #123 of 314

Why not organize a "Copper Sunday"? Donate only one penny in the collection basket. If it all American Catholics did it nationwide the hierarchy would get the message. If they didn't ... repeat as necessary. [this is quoted from my reply 106/314]

Oooooooh. I like this idea...Copper Sunday! Now which Sunday? We need a little time to spread the idea.

Go for it!

Consider a "vanity" posting here at FR to promote the idea. Pick a Sunday at least a month in the future to give time for it to percolate.

(I am not a practicing RC.)

A further suggestion: email Bill O'Reilly. He might like the idea.

[sfousa]

Your priest may be able to lead you in a way to still help the parish and the poor while making sure the message is received by those that need to hear it.

Thanks, Joseph & HM for your advice. I have a few things to take into consideration, though.

First, my parish, which is a Franciscan parish, has put out a directive urging the faithful to report all religious and clergy abuse of minors long before the Boston scandal broke out. This was precipated by an earlier sex scandal some years back that forced the closure of the Franciscan seminary in Santa Barbara, as discussed in this revealing article:

http://www.ewtn.com/library/ACADEMIC/FULLHEAR.HTM

Also on April 13, the Archbishop had convened all priests in the archdiocese to discuss the current scandal and to incorporate what they have discussed in the homily on Good Shepherd Sunday, which they did. I am sorry I can't give you details of how it was incorporated in the homily - I was seated at the far side of the sanctuary just as the sound system failed, but it was reassuring to know that the matter was at least taken up.

But thanks for what you said, I'll personally talk with our priest on how I feel about the cowardly episcopates.

The irony about our proposal to withhold our contributions to our parishes for one Sunday will fall on me personally like a ton of - well, iron - because being cantor, commentator, and song-leader, I do urge the congregation at Mass, just before announcing the offertory hymn, to "give generously to our parish. That in the Gospel, the Lord does remind us that "the laborer deserves his living (Mt 10:10)", meaning that our priests do earn their material support. I can't imagine myself not following that biblical teaching for one Sunday just because a few really really rotten apples deserve to have a millstone around their necks and be cast into the sea.

I am not minimizing the seriousness of the current Church crisis. I myself had been an "indirect victim" of this evil 45 years ago, just as Vatican II was convening, and it devastated my young mind even then.

Your priest may be able to lead you in a way to still help the parish and the poor while making sure the message is received by those that need to hear it.

I will certainly discuss the matter with my priest. Thanks for your suggestion.

Peace and all good.

[history_matters]

Bump to Post #50

[Robert Drobot]

Your very unfortunate condemnation of married Roman Catholics is so obviously self-serving and pathetic.

"Don't forget to mention that those who practice artificial forms of birth control are also attacking the sanctity of the family. They too are degenerates."

Got your panties in a bunch, Renatus??? Your broad stroke got your transparent paint all over you.

It's gratifying to know that the Sacrament of Matrimony is something sodomites and lesbians can not do if they profess to be Roman Catholics. To do so would be a mortal sin, and for an ordained priest it would be the last act he would dare presume to attempt.

The boastful proclamation of like sexes, as sinfully acted out in San Francisco Bay Area Roman Catholic Churches, is also contrary to the Word of God. Proclaiming that sin in His House is undeniable and intentional blasphemy.

That practicing sodimites dare accept a consecrated host is an abomination for which the sinner will spend an eternity in hell.

It is one of the unforgivable sins.

"Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, and changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things. Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen. For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: and likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompense of their error which was meet. And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful: who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them. Therefore thou art inexcusable, O man, whosoever thou art that judgest: for wherein thou judgest another, thou condemnest thyself; for thou that judgest doest the same things. Romans 1:22 - 2:1.

"For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ." Jude 1:4.

Did you hear about the Christian arrested and found guilty for preaching the Bible. It was determined that the Word of God - that which the guy preaching - was a hate message against sodimites.

Sodimites hate all the world's religions, because all condem the degenerate act of sodomy. Our God, The Trinity, the God of the Roman Catholic Church, is hated by these evil doers as well.

Why then do sodimites to want it both ways - religiously speaking???

They insist on desecrating the Sacraments of His Church, while on the other, causing the arrest and conviction of anyone who dares to point out where God Almighty declares sodomy a sin. They call it hate talk. These sinners simply hate all that is good, whatever the source.

May they, one and all, receive their judgment. Soon.

[aculeus]

Another possible ally: Mike Barnicle.

[Brian Kopp DPM]

Your very unfortunate condemnation of married Roman Catholics is so obviously self-serving and pathetic.

This so-called "unfortunate condemnation of married Roman Catholics" is not Renatus'at all, but the universal teaching of Roman Catholicism.

See Humanae Vitae.

Or the Catechism of the Catholic Church for that matter.

But don't condemn Renatus for simply pointing out that all of Christianity for all time has condemned contraception, and the reformers called it sodomitic sin. All sex made deliberately non-procreative is sinful. That is Natural Law and the constant unanimous teaching of the entire history of Christian moral theology (until of course the protestants abandoned same teaching in 1930)

When I see posts such as yours its hard not to conclude that you are trying to rationalize/justify your own mortal sin of contraception and/or sterilization. (Of course, to conclude such would be making a dangerous assumption, so I will refrain from doing so.)

Oh, Yes, I said mortal sin.

You know, the kind for which one can go to Hell for eternity when done with full consent and knowledge? That too is still a teaching of Roman Catholicism.