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from the internet ^ | 4-26-02 | Doug from Upland

[doug from upland]

I occasionally like to peruse the writings of the enemy on some sites that are taken seriously by some but are really comedy sites. They often evoke great bursts of laughter as one contemplates just how foolish some people can be. I checked out about 5 sites today, each for just a few minutes, and here is a really good example. I suspect that Sinkmaster must have appeared on TV somewhere.

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"I know there were a couple of running threads last night during the show. I purposely turned the puter off so I could devote my full attention to the show. Didn't turn it on afterwards as I thought I would 'sleep on it' and give my thoughts this morning.

It was the first time I had seen an intimate talk with this great man since the selection of 2000. It gave me chills. What a kind, thoughtful, intelligent human being. How regal he looked sitting there in a library setting. Once again, he was speaking right to me and me alone. The twinkle in his eye as he recalled his years in the White House. This is a man who should be so bitter. He is not. Investigation after illegal investigation and he still had so many fond memories. I was speechless. My wife, who is completely a-political, said during the commercial break that she so wished we had a President who could exude such intelligence again. Not a singe gaff, no fumbling around the english language trying to impress us with multi-syllable rhetoric. This man truly knows how the world works and truly cares. We are all his children and he sat there talking WITH me like he was my grandfather.

I truly miss this man.

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SOME ADDITONAL COMMENTS:

"He's a real class act." (that is an exceptional comment)

"Hard to express my thoughts
As I watched and listened to President Clinton, I felt a sense of calm come over me. I felt a sense of pride and my eyes filled with tears both of sadness and happiness. He is such a warm and caring person. I truly miss this man also."

"He is gracious, and he knows his place in history. He has as much respect for the American people and the people of the world as we/they have for him. He cares and always will."

"OMG, I thought I was the only one hanging on his every word during the show. It was like he was talking to each of us individually as he would a close friend. I don't care how many shirts he chased or how many times he supposedly lied about his sex life - I'd do the very same thing under oath or not if they start asking me about my private affairs..."

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Folks, this is why I want the truth known by everyone and rammed down their throats. We live in a parallel universe. The man they love is a brutal biting rapist and they claim he just made a little sex lie. He did unbelievable damage to the security of this nation. Everyone of these idiots cancels out one of our votes.

[doug from upland]

Through the Clinton years, I became of friend of Dr. Paul Fick who wrote THE DYSFUNCTIONAL PRESIDENT. Fick interviewed Bert Dickey in about 1994 and Dickey actually testified in front of the FBI.

Besides being prepared to testify if called by Starr, Dickie named eight other people who would testify that they either bought state commissions from Governor Clinton or helped launder the money. That was of critical importance because in the criminal trial of bankers Herbie Branscum and Robert Hill, Clinton denied under oath that he ever sold a state commission for cash. He testified on video in that criminal trial.

At the tail end of the impeachment investigation in the House, I finally managed to get through to the chief investigator and told him about Dickie and the other witnesses. We arranged for Fick to fly to DC and meet with the committee. I sent to them the transcript of the testimony and noted where he had committed perjury. The attorneys who saw that were astounded. They agreed that this was perjury in a criminal trial. Unfortunately, Schippers was not given enough time to do his job and they didn't pursue the matter.

Another person who became a friend was former trooper L.D. Brown. I helped him in Southern California a few years ago with a book tour for CROSSFIRE: WITNESS IN THE CLINTON INVESTIGATION. L.D. personally watched Clinton receive several thousand dollars from a man who was unqualified but bought his way onto the police commission. Clinton said to Brown something like ---- Well, L.D., sometimes you have to do bad things to be able to do good things.

I met Patrick Knowlton about a year after his journey into the park. He is totally credible and it is a shame that he did not become a star witness. It was a botched investigation and prosecution --- worse than even OJ.

[doug from upland]

By the way, you can go HERE for the latest songs.

[F16Fighter]

Chris Shays has all the integrity of a 42nd St. transvestite hooker servicing his client curb-side in front of a hot dog cart.

[Dianna]

WJC will not be touched in his lifetime. And, he will live a long and prosperous life on this earth. Such is the way when you sell your soul to the Devil.

Having Bill Clinton as President could have been a relatively good thing for America. He is a sterling example of why character counts. If we had learned our lesson and thrown him out of office after the first term, it could have been worth it.

Too bad most of the country was sleeping.

[doug from upland]

Some of these people are so stupid that I could scream at the top of my lungs until I coughed blood.

Here is an absolute nincompoop named Molly:

"Someone that I know met him. Apparently, he is the same way in person. He always wrote his own speaches and/or ad-libed."

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My goodness, Molly. You think he wrote his own speeches? Duh. Have you ever heard of David Kusnet, Mark Katz, Michael Waldman, J. Terry Edmonds, or Laura Capps. Look them up, fool. Some of these people were so impressed because a teleprompter went out and he was able to still give 10 minutes of his speech. Good freaking grief.

[BluesDuke]

Yes, you scumbag Clinton supporters. This is your hero. Ask David Schippers. He is a lifelong Democrat. He voted for Clinton twice...He is the one who collected all the evidence. You know, the evidence not one RAT senator would go to view in the Ford Building.

Not one Damnocratic Senator and enough Republican't Senators. And which was the genius party that had his sorry behind on the ropes primed for the knockout in 1996 and screwed the pooch the way Droopy-Drawers Clinton dreamed of screwing Gennifer and company? That had every last ounce of prime power in their hands to shrink government and keep his foul carcass in its place and, instead, turned around, bent over, and said, thank you, Thir, and may I have another? rather than stand on whatever passed for its hind legs - and then had the nerve to look surprised when it found its whopping majority on Crapola Hill dwindling, little by little, in each subsequent election, not because of the impeachment issue but because more and more voters back home were getting fed up with mimimalist government promises broken by maximalist government impotence?

Oh, yeah, that was some magnificent job the alleged opposition party did on neutralising this bastard and his neo-Jacobins. That was some great and grand shrinking of government and lightening of the boot across the American people's necks we experienced. That was some exemplary stand of leadership we watched when a perjurer, suborner of perjury, and obstructor of justice was allowed to get away scot-free. (He was also impeachable for reasons having nothing at all to do with sexual harassment lawsuits, or committing perjury, suborning perjury, and obstructing justice on behalf of a little extramarital nooky in the Oval Office.) That was some job of proper oversight and investigation while this walking Arkansas toxic waste dump of a President washed his hands when a want-to-be-friendly government offered him Osama-lama-ding-dong on a silver platter, postage paid.

And now he walks around loose, upchucking his usual round of nonsense and insensibility to audiences without the wit to inquire seriously, and people are shocked - shocked - to discover one of the worst criminals that ever occupied the White House (I don't know about you, but "occupied" in his case has more than one meaning) struts like the cats who ganged up on the guy who made the better mousetrap and have the mice on their side, too. I'll borrow a line Mr. Bush used rather pungently in his convention speech; in a way onto which he probably never caught on, it applied to his own party in the Clinton era as much as it applied to the Damnocrats: They had their chances. They did not lead.

Bill Clinton could have - should have - been stopped cold. No matter the spin, no matter the media, no matter the squish contingent who yapped and yammered about "seeing the big picture" and "get business done now so we can get the big deal later," he could and should have been stopped cold, the screaming of blue murder from the Clintonista sycophancy and their parrots in the press should have been the New World Symphony to our ears.

Let him rant. And let his cultists further expose themselves for the witless sycophancy they are. As if our kvetching is going to stop him now, if it couldn't get anyone to stop him while he was committing his crimes. He knows good and bloody well that those who had the goods on him dropped the balls, and anyone who thought he could go from there to resist rubbing their and our faces in it must have been out chasing Klingons while Bill Clinton and his henchmen (oops! That would be "henchpersons" in Clintonspeak) turned the apparatus of government into his personal plaything, when not turning it tighter around our necks. They had their chances. They did not lead. And we will, I fear, pay the price for it for too many more years to come.

[berned]

It was a botched investigation and prosecution --- worse than even OJ.

I'm trying to learn to push down my natural tendency to see conspiracies everywhere and just accept that Starr was an incompetant wimp... but it ain't easy for me. Fascinating stuff in your post. I wish Fick would have testified and Shippers was given the time he needed. I'm overjoyed that Nickles will try to topple Lott as Repub leader. I'd like to see ol'' Chester sharing the retirement condo with Newt, Livingston, and Dole.

[Lancey Howard]

We are all his children

There you go.
These pathetic mice should all be herded somewhere and given their own country so scumbag Billigula can be their king and they can all soil their sinks together, LOL!!!

[FlyVet]

If we had learned our lesson and thrown him out of office after the first term, it could have been worth it.

I can understand people voting for him once. Twice, I don't get it. I finally understand what "All politics is local" means. People vote their wallets. Economy was good, therefore WJC was good. Who cares about the long run? It's all about TODAY, not 10 years, or 100 years from now.

[BluesDuke]

I can understand people voting for him once. Twice, I don't get it.

Two words: Bob Dole. Once the Republican't Party nominated him to carry the 1996 spear, Bill Clinton could have run on a parking ticket and won re-election. Putting Bob Dole - Mr. Let's Make A Deal himself - up against him (though, all things considered, it should also be said, "jamming him down the Republican throat") was like bringing up a guy from the geriatric ward to pitch the World Series.

[FlyVet]

Oh, and you expected the most-qualified to step forward? Seriously, I doubt anyone could have beaten Clinton at that point, unless the Little General had stayed out of it. Clinton was this country's destiny. Not a good reflection. I voted for Dole, the lesser of evils. At least if he had put us troops in the line of fire, he knew what it's like to be all shot up, notwithstanding John McCain.

[BluesDuke]

Oh, and you expected the most-qualified to step forward? Seriously, I doubt anyone could have beaten Clinton at that point, unless the Little General had stayed out of it.

I expected the alleged Republican Party to at least make the effort. They sent a glue factory nag to run against a horse who could have been beaten. Thanks but no thanks, and I don't care how smart he might have been sending troops into battle, I've long enough been fed up with smart-with-the-troops people who use those instances as convenient shields to uphold or further metastasise the welfare state. Nominating Bob Dole told me how unserious the Republican'ts were. (Unfortunately, the party I thought might get serious enough in due course turns out to have been its own kind of corrupt. So be it. My loyalty is to my country and her Constitution, what remains of it, the parties be damned.)

[FlyVet]

I've long enough been fed up with smart-with-the-troops people who use those instances as convenient shields to uphold or further metastasise the welfare state.

Nice righteous thought, but the alternative was? Who did you vote for?

[MissAmericanPie]

Pretty frightening, these are the same type as post war Germans that behind closed doors went on and on about how they miss Hitler, the Master Race, the lost glory of Germany. I've seen the old news reel films, his audience was hypnotized by him.

We better hope a world dictator doesn't show up, these clowns would be licking up the ground behind him.

[BluesDuke]

Nice righteous thought, but the alternative was? Who did you vote for?

At that time (in 1992, I voted reluctantly enough for George Bush the Elder), I took a page from Albert Jay Nock (by way of either Mark Twain or Artemus Ward; I'm not sure who originated it, and neither was Mr. Nock) and cast a vote for one of the Founding Fathers, I forget now whom, on the ground that "if we can't have a live man who's worth a thing, by all means let us have a first-class corpse." I could at least sleep the sleep of the man who was sufficiently just that he would not extend his vote to those who would have made of him an unindicted co-conspirator in such organised crime as the State (as opposed to a properly construed government). Surely no harm ensues from a protest vote, it being so that no one is responsible for the victory of any person or party save those who actually vote for said person or party; thus did I cast mine, as I suppose all might be entitled at least once to do. And I could certainly not be blamed for having any complicity in either the Dole failure or the Clinton crime wave.

The point having been made, I voted in 2000 for Harry Browne, but his entirely unacceptable comments following 11 September (how any libertarian, never mind Libertarian, could in effect have refused our right to act as necessary in light of force having been used upon us and quite murderously, remains beyond me), and things I had learned subsequent to the 2000 election about how he had all but turned his party into his personal piggy bank, while comporting himself in a manner I found completely abhorrent (party rules prohibit members of the national committee or paid party workers from endorsing or working for a candidate before the candidate has the party's nomination, rules which were violated rather flagrantly by Browne and his supporters), provoked me to think very seriously about rescinding my registration to the Libertarian Party.

I still believe in freedom; in individual rights and sovereignty; in properly construed government as opposed to the improperly consecrated State (the former has as its sole legitimate business staying the hell out of your business, my business, and every citizen's business - personal, commercial, you name it - unless [big unless] one citizen would obstruct or abrogate a fellow citizen's equivalent rights). And I always will. And, I will vote accordingly, even if it means voting for a corpse over live candidates to whom the foregoing proves negotiable once the votes are counted and the oaths of office are sworn.

I give Mr. Bush all credit for his prosecution of the war against Taliban Afghanistan. In fairness, though, I can hardly criticise him for, too, using that and his concurrent war on terrorism as a shield behind which the State either holds its own or metastasises further; he promised, after all, not to govern according to how much government he might cut or dissolve but, rather, how much he might get away with seeing and raising, albeit on behalf of his concept of the Right Things. He has kept the promise for the most part, but it is one promise I'm sure few mind him breaking.

[FlyVet]

I have a certain affinity for Libertarianism. It seems to say, you can do whatever you want, if you don't infringe on anyone else's rights. And if you do, there will be severe consequences. Rather Godly, actually. He also gives us a free choice, and the consequences. Problem is, we're now too "civilized" to dish out the consequences. Additionally, staying out of foreign entanglements is now almost impossible, since we rely on foreigners for oil and strategic minerals. As far as protest votes go, I voted for Keyes in the '96 primary, even though I knew he couldn't win. A great candidate? Maybe not. Better than Clinton? Yep. At the least, he would have stirred up a good stink in Washington, exactly what those dweebs need. So, I'm not entirely off-base with you. We're stuck voting for the lesser of two evils. There are probably many great candidates who will never see the light of day, due to the good ol' boy system. How to overcome that, I don't know. It would take a lot more anger in the populace. Cheers.

[Looking4Truth]

More anecdotal evidence that ignorance is the disease that will destroy America. The Chinese can save their money being spent on military hardware--America will implode from ignorant Americans like my relatives, FlyVet's, and many other Freepers and good Americans.

This is sad. I'm in the same boat. Otherwise intelligent people in my life don't want their little world rocked by the truth so I may as well be talking to a wall.

It is truly unbelievable.

Gotta go, I need to check my 401k, play some computer games with my latest Nintendo and catch up on 'Survivor' and 'Sex in The City'. Ooooh, there's a sale at the mall, too and the race is this weekend. Paaarty! /sarcasm

[BluesDuke]

Additionally, staying out of foreign entanglements is now almost impossible, since we rely on foreigners for oil and strategic minerals.

Well, the recent ANWR vote sure made certain that would continue, no? I am of a mind myself that, while we ought never to just up and meddle in another country's affairs, we should certainly, within reasonable and realistic means, aid any country whom we deem friendly if - big "if" - they ask our help. We would do very well to adjust our stance appropriately, that we say, "Isn't it better to have a friend who minds his own business, tends his own affairs, leaves you to tend your affairs so long as you hurt or impose upon no other country, and stands by ever ready to help you if you ask, not when we arbitrarily decide when and how to help?" The friendship of the United States should never mean little more than just another country asking "Which pot?" when King Washington D.C. commands, "Sh@t!"

As far as protest votes go, I voted for Keyes in the '96 primary, even though I knew he couldn't win. A great candidate? Maybe not. Better than Clinton? Yep.

I can't help thinking that that doesn't say much for Mr. Keyes, calling him better than nothing... ;)

At the least, he would have stirred up a good stink in Washington, exactly what those dweebs need. So, I'm not entirely off-base with you.

Unfortunately, the only big stink in Washington these days emits any time a politician opens his or her mouth. Because something stinks, all right.

We're stuck voting for the lesser of two evils. There are probably many great candidates who will never see the light of day, due to the good ol' boy system. How to overcome that, I don't know. It would take a lot more anger in the populace. Cheers.

I suppose those who wish it arduously enough will get a candidate beyond such a system - it has been done before, and at various levels of government. I drew this point a few months back, on another thread, when I posited that the grave mistake the Libertarian Party in hindsight seems to have made as a party was not modeling its methodology upon such as the Conservative Party in New York - you know, serving as a philosophical/ideological pressure point upon the Major Parties (the Conservative Party was formed to do that to the Rockefellerised Republicans in 1962), endorsing Major Party candidates on a basis that they came the absolute closest to holding positions with which the party would customarily concur or press, nominating its own candidates for various offices only after finding no such endorsable candidate among the Majors, an approach which within eight years had sent a primarily Conservative candidate (he entered and won the Republican primary only after he had secured the Conservative nomination) to the U.S. Senate, future federal judge James L. Buckley.

I am convinced that had the Libertarians taken an approach along that line, they might well have proven more solidified and impressed people who might otherwise support a preponderance of their positions as a serious enough entry. (They have this much else in common with the New York Conservative Party: they formed in explicit response to a liberal inclination in a purportedly Republican President, to wit: Nixon's wage and price controls policy.) Considering that Libertarians are proving as capable of voting with their feet as other parties' members, the LP will have to think very hard, I believe, about considering such an approach as just described, or settling for the same old crap of trying to spin dwindling vote numbers as great moral victories...