Posted on 04/26/2002 1:44:34 PM PDT by Rightfield14
Who's demanding everything? We're simply asking a man who swore an oath before God and country to live up to that oath. Expecting a politician to keep his word is asking too much? Well, okay, maybe it is.
"Can you not see that some things are being delayed until there is a public desire for the actions, and that some things are being done as a way to get acquiescence from the democrats on other, more important things?"
Playing the public opinion poll game and compromising..... When Clinton did it he was being derilict in his duty as president. When Bush does it he's simply plotting a brilliant strategy. It doesn't make sense.
If Bill Clinton had signed the Patriot Act and Campaign Finance Reform everyone here in this forum would be up in arms over such abuses of power. But because Geroge W. Bush is a Republican and a professing Christian we just have to trust him. Am I missing something here?
If the majority of people in the country want something, even if it is NOT conservative, well then,, that's the way it goes.
YOUR interpretation of his keeping or not keeping his oath is YOUR opinion, and not a fact. I do not share your opinion.
Now be sure you make a comment about how unintelligent I am, or how I am a socialist/statist, or any of the other patented answers that the 24/7 PPE sufferers use to attack.
Pfui.
Absolutely correct.
No, that's NOT the way it goes. That's exactly why the founders gave us a constitutional republic, not a democracy. The president isn't supposed to cave in to mob rule. He was elected to lead, not roll with the tide of public opinion.
"Now be sure you make a comment about how unintelligent I am, or how I am a socialist/statist, or any of the other patented answers that the 24/7 PPE sufferers use to attack."
Come, now. I have NEVER once engaged in that kind of petty behavior. It's no more complicated that this: I have read the Constitution, I watched George W. Bush take an oath to uphold and defend that same Cosntitution and I have seen him break that oath-- particularly when he signed the CFR bill knowing that it was unconstitutional.
Danger, Will Robinson! Bushbot Alert!
You have two choices about CFR: either it is definitely unconsitutional, in which case it will be thrown out by the Supreme Court, OR it IS constitutional, in which case your gripe is simply that you don't like the bill. I can't do anything about your anger about this bill, but the decision has been made, and you will just have to wait to see what the Supreme Court says.
If this is your breaking point issue, the decision has already been made, so I guess you won't be voting for President Bush. This is NOT a big deal with me, since I am pretty sure the SC will throw a lot of it out. This talk about breaking of oaths is pretty much depending on the eye of the beholder, although I am sure you won't see it that way.
I simply disagree with you. End o sory.
"End of story."
Also, it was a good excuse for the Crown Prince to see America. Hope he had a little fun.
Face it, Mac, you want a clone to be President. How come guys like you come out and carp every time the media pushes your buttons with the latest rumor? They play you all against the President to keep their ratings up.
If you would put the same energy and money into the Senate races coming up, you'd have a lot less to be carping about next year.
"Our nation's founders would have fought and bled over this kind of thing. (As a matter of fact, they did!) As I said in my earlier posts on this thread, we are far removed from our founders. We need to get back to their ideals. We need to climb out of the swamp, not tread water and then tire and then sink."
However, I do have a question. As we both know, if someone had begun a violent response to Bush's signing of CFR, it would have quickly been stopped. That raises the question: what DO we do, given that climate? I'm interested in your suggestions.
Our so-called Constitutionalists, I've become convinced, don't want popular government at all. They want a sort of elective monarch, a counterweight to the people, who would (somehow) impose on the nation the One True Constitutional Doctrine, about which of course there can be no debate (for all those outside the Dar al Calhoun are socialist kaffir). His faithfulness to his oath is defined as the absolute purity of his zeal for an abstract theory of Constitutional interpretation which was by no means universally accepted by the Founders.
The President must never make political calculations, weigh relative goods and relative evils, have priorities based on judgments about the nation's most pressing needs, or engage in political compromise. He must never come to terms with any long-standing historical developments of our government because he must never worry about anything but the One True Constitutional Doctrine. He must never let little things like war and the threat of mass destruction admit any flexibility into his interpretation of the Doctrine. In other words, he is never to take on the concrete task of governing, but to clutch to himself the same purity enjoyed by armchair ideologist.
The President must take every possible constitutional issue as seriously as every other; fight every imaginable battle on every front simultaneously; he is assumed to have unlimited political capital and unlimited time and resources, so that the "to the best of my ability" in his oath may never be taken as a recognition of human limitations.
This is the ideal of a sort of ideologically fervent libertarian dictator, not an elected magistrate in a republic.
The Presidency is not a pittyfull political nitpicking about ones little pet projects, it is a very demanding responsibility and/or compromise decision making process whereby millions of lifes styles and/or future depends upon.
Due to our sheer economic/military power we alone, can shape the face of the Earth at will, if we decide to do so. At a heavy price I might add, but we can do it!
I am getting really sick and tired of those morons, who can not find their asses with both hands, but shure they can give the President tips how to run the Country, and then come on this forum to whine and moan that GWB is a looser and their wisdom is above and beyond reproach.
Hold me back while I gag....
The guy certainly brings more respect to the office of president but that means nothing in the grand scheme of things. Constitutionally, Bush has proven to be a miserable failure. From a theological standpoint, I think a betrayal of constitutional principles (which are definitely rooted in Christianity) is tantamount to betraying the responsibility handed down by God. This not only goes for the president but every U.S. citizen as well.
But what can you expect from a man that mirrors the ideology of the average Christian in America, I suspect that God created George W. Bush to be exactly like he is to cater to the willy nilly Christians of his day that don’t understand US Constitutional law (as it was originally created), and God’s law. In the long haul these willy nilly Christians will be disappointed, because their God /sarcasm> (George, the forth person of their trinity, /sarcasm>) will not turn America into the utopian kingdom that they want. In turn they will dissolve themselves even more from politics like their, Arminist fathers in the 18th century, and blame it all on just one of those many signs of their end times schemes that they can not do anything about. In the long run they will not even turn out to vote for the better of the two parties, (of the two party government in the U.S.,I’ll say the lesser evil of the two parties, but I don’t want to go that far quite yet.). Then we will probably end up with a more socialistic government then before.
In the long run the willy nilly Christians will end up with their cake, but won’t be able to eat it and will have to sit around and smell the rotten cake too maybe some day they will understand how they got their rotten cake and take steps to get rid of the thing.
Now Pharmer, you being a Freeper must know that Franklin D. Roosevelt and his New Deal crap was just a piece of Communist legislation that has caused irreparable harm to this country.
I suspect again that God is making it hard for the willy nilly Christians to get a good cake, I suspect that He will cause the willy nilly Christians to have to put in some hard sweaty work like he told them they would have to do way back in Genesis after the fall.
The question to ask, and the question I ask my self sometimes, is will our Holy God allow the unregenerate/unborn Christian to do that hard study of work of His word.
Will God allow the sweat of an unregenerate/unborn have any effect at all ……or will their sweat be a big waste of time. I have left the question some what unfinished, because I don’t really know if it be wise to add some more to it or best to leave as is, any comments would be appreciated.
Hold me back while I gag....
You'll probably have to gag in the sink, because those morons are probably still on the jon shitting.
Nope, the president has said over and over that he has OUR best interests at hand. Some of those interests is to be sure that we are still around for another 4 years. Be patient but we must remain supportive of the president. It gives the opposition great delight to see infighting or cracks in the president's armor.
"Bye-bye, Billy Jeff. It isn't all about you."
Maybe to a few he would have been a hero to drag out all the Clinton dirty laundry for all to see. Is that what a real leader spends his time doing? Remember, Bush will one day leave the Oval Office. Do you think he wants his successor to do the same?
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