They Were Socialists, and They Were Monsters!

N/A ^ | June 7, 1995 | William Cooper, Thomas Colton Ruthford

[Melinator]

Yeah. Like in the PRC, the USSR, NAZI Germany, and the New World Order (Amerika), etc.

[tophat9000]

If you subtracted Hitler's anti-Jewish position from the rest of his platform is the same

It's inlighting when you consider the typical anti-Jewish racist stereotype

Racist stereotypes of Jews are unique as racist stereotypes go, aren’t they portrayed as the ultimate rich capitalist man?

Isn’t their rant and propaganda the same you just change the name of the boogman

Rich evil corporate world conspiracy oppressing the common man (class based boogman)
Rich evil Jewish world conspiracy oppressing the common man.(race based boogman)

[Polybius]

Bump for later reading

[Logophile]

Stalin's ideology was that he believed Stalin and his friends should control everything, including the means of production. Hitler's ideology was that he believed Hitler should control everything, including the means of production. .... The ideologies are very similar, except for a small detail which made them quite incompatible despite their similarities.

Excellent observation.

Consider two street gangs fighting over the same neighborhood. They may be enemies, but that does not put them on opposite ends of the political spectrum.

[handk]

Well David Duke, Le Pen, Haider and a bunch of other politicians are very much to the right, yet they gather and incredible ammount of nazi supporters, skinheads, racists, KKK types etc.. Do I really have to explain more? :)

The point is there are extremes on both sides of the major political spectrum and the Nazi movement was very much associated with the extreme right.

I really don't know why acknowledging that would be such a problem, unless someone would identify with such beliefs. And oppresive regimes were both ruled by the extreme left and right (Hitler, Franco, Mussolini, Stalin, Mao etc...)

Your statements above could only be made if you base them on the fallacy that a "political spectrum" contains governmental "oppression" at both ends. Obviously, English comprehension is not your strong suit. Public education?

"A scale measures opposing states." Do you comprehend? Shall I dumb it down for you?

Left, right, it's irrelevant. The point is: a true political scale goes from total oppression on one end to total anarchy on the other end.

You're obviously hung up about "right-wing".

You're brainwashed.

[bluester]

You're brainwashed.

If you say so.

[spunky lady]

Thank you for this post, not only is it very true, but certainly an eye opener. I was never a history buff regarding wars, and I never did realize the basis of the Nazis, being "National Socialism". The Nazi Party was called the "National Socialist Workers Party." I definately see the connection, as far as our American politics go.

Actually Rome got so bad as well, but then you were sold into slavery, you could even become a gladiator and die. (they didnt have gas chambers yet), and your entire family, if you didnt pay your taxes. Which paid for the non-productive, and those programs. So, in essance the slaves became masters over the masters... The non-productive socialists/communists who said things like, "TAX THE RICH" .....became masters over the persons who were productive and owned things because of their production. I actually pity the socialist/communist, upon further look, they are voting for people providing "freedom" and dont even know what the word means. They certainly didnt recognize the fact, they were giving up their freedoms. And certainly with government controlled schools, the real information wont be taught. ie: true economics. Though it is true, the Nazis were more "special", they also had to kill off people of a religion. Actually, Rome did that too.

THE TAXES BECAME SO HIGH, THE PRODUCTIVE COULDNT PAY FOR IT. AND THAT LADIES AND GENTLEMAN, IS HOW AN ENIRE SOCIETY IS ENSLAVED, WHICH IS THE INTENTION.

[Maelstrom]

Well David Duke, Le Pen, Haider and a bunch of other politicians are very much to the right, yet they gather and incredible ammount of nazi supporters, skinheads, racists, KKK types etc.. Do I really have to explain more? :)

Hell...Al Gore drew an incredible amount of nazi supporters, skinheads, racists, etc. However, I'm keen enough to realize that this doesn't make him one. What it does is identify him as a better match for those folks than G. Bush. Not that many of the people who could be labelled the same way didn't vote for Bush...and that doesn't make Bush one either...funny.

Hell, using your logic, we should be combing through the wreckage caused by the US Air Force of a House in Chippaqua who's resident actually kissed the wife of a known terrorist as a show of support for her husband, and a library in Arkansaw, who is dedicated to a gentleman known to have accepted money from terrorists to advance his political career and even pardoned terrorists for personal gain.

What you've done is create a situation of Guilt by Association and expect it to be taken as gospel.

The point is there are extremes on both sides of the major political spectrum and the Nazi movement was very much associated with the extreme right. I really don't know why acknowledging that would be such a problem, unless someone would identify with such beliefs.

Acknowledging this is trite as it's a fact. However, Nazism, though associated with the extreme right, was a far left movement marginally to the right of Communism. For Goodness sake, they *identified themselves* as socialist. Association aside, try presenting some evidence that this guy has any extremist ideals.

And oppresive regimes were both ruled by the extreme left and right (Hitler, Franco, Mussolini, Stalin, Mao etc...)

All Leftists. Let's try again...Now put up some real instances of this guy displaying anything approaching "extreme"...the only thing I've seen that could be identified as "extremist" is some mild support for capitalist reforms to a socialist and failing economic system.

It's very quaint to label people as one form of tyrant or another, but unless there's a reason to do so...well...you might do so because you're a liberal. Liberals don't need any facts or evidence for their claims.

[maestro]

Your # 47.................."Spunky Lady".....................BTTT

[Schweinhund]

where ever there is SOMETHING, men have risen to fight it and die over it.

freedom is mostly self-limitation in the sense of 'i dont want that to happen to me...so i wont do it.'. you decide your mix of freedom and safety. more freedom, less safety, same the other way round.

[Schweinhund]

russia AND the allies were knocking at the door. it was obvious germany had lost. the nero order never got carried out, but it was not because of the commies. hitler just knew he had lost and wanted to break his toy so nobody else could play again.

[dfwgator]

The only difference between Nazis and Communists are who their enemies are.

[Schweinhund]

and dont think i am unhappy that its hard to own and carry a gun in germany...i dont need one to defend myself. when people try to rob someone here (never happened to me), best the will have is a gas gun, a knife or only their fists. so i can decide to either give them my money or try my luck. if i believed it could work i sure would be for unarmed police like britain had for a long time (and still has in some areas).

[Schweinhund]

you do not know what you are talking about. you got some encyclopedia? try reading about both.

[dfwgator]

Consider two street gangs fighting over the same neighborhood. They may be enemies, but that does not put them on opposite ends of the political spectrum.

Reminds me of "Life of Brian", with the "Judean People's Front" and the "People's Front of Judea", essentially the same thing but both groups hated each other. The first group the Bolsheviks killed in the Soviet Union were the other Socialists, not the Monarchists (although they eventually got around to them as well)

[maestro]

Your# 51.........LOL....PLEASE READ POST #39 AGAIN,.........LOL.....PLEASE READ POST #39 AGAIN..........LOL.....PLEASE READ POST #39 AGAIN..........LOL

LOL,...........on each AND EVERY front on the "Eastern Front" (Socialism's Meat Gringer)...

'The' Nationalist-Socialist (NAZI), Hitler ALWAYS GAVE "The 'Nero' Order"! (Following Staalin's example of the Soviet-Socialist 'Nero' Orders!)

Socialists 'grinding' Socialists!!

PLEASE READ POST #39

[handk]

Bumped. Because I can!