They Were Socialists, and They Were Monsters!

N/A ^ | June 7, 1995 | William Cooper, Thomas Colton Ruthford

[bluester]

Do you understand what I'm telling you? There is no such thing as oppression on the right. There is no such thing as Nazis on the right. There are no Fascists on the right.

This is a joke, right?

[Colosis]

Before 9/11, if anyone had suggested that it was possible for an international Islamic terrorist network to emerge within western immigrant communities, dedicated to the complete destruction of the western societies in which they lived, they probably would have been jailed for incitement to cause racial hatred.

We know better know.

[The Duke]

If you believe that "National Socialists" were extremely conservative then I've got a bridge or two I'd like to sell ya!

The author is dead on.

[Maelstrom]

What do you think, and why do you think that?

[bluester]

Well David Duke, Le Pen, Haider and a bunch of other politicians are very much to the right, yet they gather and incredible ammount of nazi supporters, skinheads, racists, KKK types etc.. Do I really have to explain more? :)

The point is there are extremes on both sides of the major political spectrum and the Nazi movement was very much associated with the extreme right. I really don't know why acknowledging that would be such a problem, unless someone would identify with such beliefs. And oppresive regimes were both ruled by the extreme left and right (Hitler, Franco, Mussolini, Stalin, Mao etc...)

[rdb3]

The point is there are extremes on both sides of the major political spectrum and the Nazi movement was very much associated with the extreme right.

Nazi, rather National Socialist Workers' Party, can not be on the Right. Socialism is ALWAYS on the Left, just like communism.

Therefore, how could Nazism be associated with the Right with the word "Socialist" in the title? That doesn't make sense.

[Libertarian_4_eva]

Well David Duke, Le Pen, Haider and a bunch of other politicians are very much to the right, yet they gather and incredible ammount of nazi supporters, skinheads, racists, KKK types etc.. Do I really have to explain more? :)

Blue. None of these people are conservatives they are socialists. They all believe in big government. Your making the same mistake many others make. You cannot tell the difference between right wing socialists and left wing socialists. Right wing socialists also believe in group think and not the person.

[glock rocks]

ping.

[Wonder Warthog]

"This is a joke, right?"

Actually, no. By comparison to the tyranny promulgated by socialists, all other points of the political spectrum are small beans by comparison. Overall deaths caused by "right-wing dictators" are far higher than those caused worldwide by socialism (including communism).

The numbers are something like 130,000,000 from socialist/communist regimes vs. 29,000,000 for all other forms (mostly "right-wing" of despotism. Rudy Rummler has studied this in great depth and has tons of statistics. If you are interested, I''ll try to find my reference link to his info and post it.

[moneyrunner]

Please try to reason a little more rather than simply repeating what you have been told. The spectrum of political organization does not run from Communism to Nazism, despite what you have been told. For example, where in this spectrum does anarchy fall? If the Communists were the farthest Left and Nazis were the farthest Right, where would the German monarchy fall?

If you study the history of the rise of Hitler you will find that most of his recruits came from the Communists. In Mein Kampf Hitler rants against the old order. This was only natural, since both the Communists and the Nazis hated the old order in Germany: the remnants of the monarchy. They both wanted total control of government and the economy. The fight between the Communists and the Nazis was more of a civil war than anything else.

In the end, the German people voted for Hitler because, believe it or not, he appeared more moderate. The political and economic elite accepted him because they believed he could be controlled. Of course they were wrong, but by then it was too late.

Under Hitler a great deal of the German economy was nationalized. What was not taken over, was controlled by the government to provide the resources for the German war machine.

The last time I saw troops goose stepping was at a May Day parade in Moscow.

[timydnuc]

I'm with you brother! They are not taking me into the street and shooting me. They'll have to shoot me where I stand, with my guns, and I'll take a few of the bastards with me. No, I won't live on my knees, I choose to die on my feet....a free man! Yes, A FREE MAN.....NEVER A SLAVE! Socialists tend to under estimate the will of free men, that's what gets them killed,.. everytime.

[bluester]

A lot of what you said is true. But then how do you explain that most of those people during WW2 that collaborated with Hitler, I am talking people from the Allied countries, those that turned against their own people because of their strong anti-communist beliefs, where say saw in Hitler the lesser evil then in communism. And the fact that the Roman Catholic church mostly collaborated as well, also because of anti-communism. That does not really support the theory that Hitler was a communist or of such beliefs. There's a bit of confusion here I admit because of the National Socialist things. National(ist) being a right-wing term and socialist a left wing. So maybe there was some of both. All in the most extreme and negative way as we all agree, is that not so? :(

[Int]

Nazi, rather National Socialist Workers' Party, can not be on the Right. Socialism is ALWAYS on the Left, just like communism.

The original author leaves out some facts that don't support his line.

He says...Then the Reichstag [which was the "seat" of the German government, just like the our American equivalent, the U.S. Capitol building in Washington, D.C.] was blown up and Hitler ram-rodded an emergency anti-terrorist act through Parliament that gave the Gestapo extra-ordinary powers.....

Just a second. The Reichstag fire was blamed on Communists by the Nazis. Also there's that distinction about private property. Socialists/Communists want(ed) to totally get rid of it. Nazis didn't.

This is an interesting debate but I think it mainly depends on how you look [or were taught to look] at the political spectrum; as a half-arc, a circle (with communism and fascism meeting at the bottom) or something else.

[Katya]

No Bluester...you're buying into the big media left wing lie. Convenient that they've managed to paint the horror of the nazi's into a right wing crime. The first thing the nazi's did was to throw out the conservatives, at first a power sharing arrangement was to have been worked out. Hitler was combating the communists...think of this as the democrats fighting with the Green party....one is just a bit more left than the other. BTW, the Green Party originates within the Nazi movement.

During the era of the Soviet Union, much of their policy and thinking was clearly fascist and nationalistic. In fact after WWII, the Russians were so enamoured with the various Hitler youth songs, they simply translated them into russian and changed the color of the armbands their youth troops wore. You can't have a centrally controlled means of production and be right wing..full stop.

[rdb3]

Then tell me why the word "Socialism" was a part of their name.

[Schweinhund]

hitler was made by the big money like krupp.

the nazis were neither national nor socialist. did you know that when the war was lost, hitler gave the 'nero' order? that meant destroying all industry and blowing up the mines to leave nothing to the enemy. and he ordered the whole population to kill themselves because 'who does not win is not worthy'. he was not anything more than a madman playing chess, just like stalin.

communism does not work and the communism we had on this planet developed very fast to a dictatorship. if we really had the kind of people we need to get a working communism, we could take any other form of government and it would work brilliantly, too.

[timydnuc]

"If we really had the kind of people we need to get a working communism"

If a frog had a glass ass he'd only bounce once!

You were right in the previous sentence....communism doesn't work...............PERIOD. Reason: men were born to be free, made by God to be free! Freedom is in the genetic make up of human beings. You can pontificate about history, you can debate theories, but you can't deny that where ever there is tyranny, and slavery, a man, or a group of men have risen to fight it. Think about that for a while!

[liberalism=failure]

I'd like to add that the Jews were hated because they were successful. And Hitler blamed them for their success, saying it was illegitimately stolen from gentiles.

Sound familiar? It's called class envy and its liberal liberal liberal.

Furthermore the Nazis were known specifically for hatred of Jews. Yet look at America. Look at the world. It's the left that hates Israel. The right for the most part is sticking up for it.

For another thread on the subject see here The Nazis were liberals