Get It Straight -- The hypocrisy of blaming gays for sexual abuse by priests.

Slate ^ | April 24, 2002 | William Saletan

[Steve_Seattle]

"Worst case is that 1% - 2% are gay."

I think it's more than that, but I have never, ever before heard an estimate of 30% - 50% gay priests, and I agree they are making up statistics, i.e., lieing, in order to further their point.

[SoothingDave]

I haven't seen The Wanderer and they don't seem to have a website. Have they reported recently on Mundelein being a hothouse for gays? Is Cardinal George doing anything about it? (I thought he was going to reverse the Bernardin openness to gay seminarians and priests.)

They have a "presence" as "thewandererpress.com" but they don't have any actual content there. They say they are renovating.

They have reported lately incidents from Rose's book "Goodbye good men" and Mundelein shows up. Whether any recent changes have changed anything I could not say.

SD

[steve-b]

Keep your eye on the ball. All these quibblings about the nature of the offense and the offenders are distractions from the issue, which is the institutional corruption that supported all the cover-ups.

After eight years of similar obfuscation from Clowntoon & Co, I would have thought this to be blindingly obvious.

[Campion]

Why only African violets? Sounds racist to me.

Violets-of-color deserve reparations for the centuries during which only houseplants of dominant ethnicity were ordained. After centuries of exploitation by geraniums and tearoses, African violets are finally striking a blow for justice and equality ...

[StopGlobalWhining]

Is Saletan himself homosexual?

[moderation_is_not_a_bad_thing]

Ah, this tired old line yet again! Don't you guys ever come up with anything new?

"you guys"? Who exactly are you referring to? People who disagree with you? Should I even bother responding or have you written off anything I might have to say?

Attraction to the opposite sex is the biological norm.

Acting upon an attraction is a chosen behavior!

So what is your point here? Being right-handed is also the biological norm, are all left-handed people deviant? Should we go back to persecuting left-handed people like the Catholic church did in the not far distant past? Einstein's IQ puts him way outside the "norm", is that deviant and bad?

Also teach them that anyone who disagrees with this is hateful.

If that was true then the Catholic church wouldn't have this problem. Who would belong to a church that is "hateful"?

Make up a nonsense term, such as "homophobia," to describe this otherwise normal reaction to degeneracy.

Homophobia is a nonsense term? Look up phobia in the dictionary some time. Not everyone who disagrees with homosexuality is homophobic, but homophobia does exist. It is an unhealthy fear and/or hatred of homosexuals.

I think you'd have had to undergo such a major psychological manipulation to have a normal child willfully accept homosexual behaviors.

Then how to you account for the fact that homosexuality has occurred throughout history, in every known culture? People have grown up attracted to the same sex without even knowing that there was such a thing as homosexuality. How did they "learn" this behaviour?

The person who is actually attracted to the same sex without such manipulation is simply ill and in need of treatment to recover from their illness.

Do you have any evidence for this or is it just opinion? I believe that our sexual orientation is primarily biological, you believe it to be learned. Until we get more evidence can't we just agree to disagree?

[SkyPilot]

Gay Priests are inconsistent with God's word, and God's law. The Catholic Faith, and all faiths for that matter need to realize the sins they commit in the name of tolerance. I say defrock all gay priests. Remove them from their posts. They are evil, and potentially dangerous to the spiritual and mental health of the world.

I would put this on a Bumper Sticker if I could.

[jimt]

The author is blithely ignoring the fact that the overwhelming majority of offenses were committed against boys - something like 90% to 95% - making the perps homosexuals. There's no hypocrisy whatsoever in fixing blame where it's due.

[SkyPilot]

How did they "learn" this behaviour?

How does a 10 month old "learn" to pull her sister's hair and laugh at her pain?

Human beings don't have to "learn" sin--we are sinful, inherently.

Did you ever go to Sunday school?

[vacrn]

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/671831/posts

See other related thread....Seems they do have a resident pedophile at the Mundelein seminary.

[pgkdan]

The one thing everybody knows about the Roman Catholic Church is that you're supposed to confess your sins.

Yes...so that you can be forgiven, after you've promised to try and not commit that sin again. Gays don't want forgiveness...they want ACCEPTANCE. They want us to accept their deviant behavior as normal and conform our lives to their perversion. We just have to throw out the Church's teachings on sexual ethics for the last 2000 years. they don't want much.

[07055]

I think there should be a simple rule:

Any priest found to have engaged in sexual contact (consensual or forced) with men, women, boys or girls, must be removed from priesthood.

I might possibly be convinced that for consensual sexual contact with an adult woman, the priest could be given a second chance depending on the circumstances.

But, those who prey on boys (or girls) need to get the boot immediately.

Just like trucking companies or airlines should not give a second chance to operators who drink while in the truck or the plane.

[1stFreedom]

One giant problem is that Women can't be ordained. Period. It was infalliable stated by the current Pope, which means it's not undoable. It won't happen.

Also, women *do* sexually abuse children. I can't imagine that a sexually active single lesbian "priest" would not be tempted to take advantage of young girls confused about their own sexuality. This proposal doesn't solve the problem, but merely offers to change the sexes of the offender and offendee's.

Like I said, there will never ever ever ever be women priests in the Catholic Church. It's dogma now, although liberals try to argue otherwise.

[vacrn]

Never....say never

[avenir]

I say defrock all gay priests. Remove them from their posts. They are evil, and potentially dangerous to the spiritual and mental health of the world. All according to God's laws.

Okay, now that we've gotten rid of that problem, what do we do with all the adulterers, fornicators, gossips, drunkards, gluttons, etc., etc.? (All according to God's laws...)

[born yesterday]

Right on. Over and over again I hear that people accept "celibate" homosexuals. But even celibate homosexuals offend me. In my experiuence Gays think differently. I believe, because of their thrust toward a death accepting viewpoint, they make a poor role model for our kids, celibate or no.

[redhead]

Re: your post #11...You sure have a way with words! I'm with YOU.

[detsaoT]

...I think you'd have had to undergo such a major psychological manipulation to have a normal child willfully accept homosexual behaviors. The person who is actually attracted to the same sex without such manipulation is simply ill and in need of treatment to recover from their illness.

You have done an immaculate job of summarizing exactly what has happened to every child in our public education "system" through the past 30 years. If it were not for sodomite activists, THERE WOULD NOT BE "homosexual children."

FReegards!

:) ttt

[VRWC_minion]

Why only African violets? Sounds racist to me.

How about African-American violets ?