Missouri senator introduces measure on `hotel sex bash' in St. Louis County

St Louis Post-Dispatch ^

[cardinal4]

JEFFERSON CITY, Mo. (AP) -- As promised, a state senator on Tuesday called for an investigation into whether an upcoming sex workshop on bondage, domination and sadomasochism is legal and safe.

The resolution by Sen. John Loudon, R-Ballwin, calls for the state health department and attorney general to investigate the safety and legality of such events.

[weegee]

There was a hotel that was seized in Houston a couple of years back because there was prostitution and drug use going on in the rooms. The manager/owner just refused to intervene (he was neither pimp, nor drug pusher).

Should he have been permitted to remain in business?

[weegee]

The difference between S&M and spousal abuse is a "safe word".

[weegee]

I thought that you torture a masochist by threatening to beat her/him and not doing so.

[Lurking Libertarian]

Several states after the Constitution was signed had established official state churches. Some state governments even went as far as to impose a very small tax of 2 or 3 percent on income to support said church. And imagine!! No one had a problem with it. At least until the 14th Amendment

Actually, a lot of people had a problem with it, which is why all the states with established churches abolished them long before the 14th amendment. I think the last to go was around 1830.

[cardinal4]

I actually did see about 2 hours worth of the DC rally,but was able to dismiss it for what it was USDA inspected BS.

The county health department already checks all the things you mentioned.And you are right about charging for entrance and it spilling out into the public then by all means deal with it with EXISTING OBSCENITY LAWS which were written with these very things in mind.No,instead of Missouri trying to enact morality legislation,enact legislation to do something about the meth labs that give the Show Me State one of its most dubious distinctions; the Meth Lab Capital.

[weegee]

Adultry is on the books in many states but that doesn't mean that it is enforced (except maybe as a bargaining chip in divorce cases).

[freeeee]

Should he have been permitted to remain in business?

Of course not. The nerve of him to not spy on his customers and be the government's unpaid snitch and toady! He should be held responsible for the actions of others, having his property seized without Due Process. Isn't that the American Way?

In good time, the subjects of our glorious Fatherland will learn that they must keep a close watch on their customers and neighbors, or else.

[billbears]

Wolfpack football games, nor Jimmy Buffet, nor country music are considered immoral by natural law. And natural law is what the Constitution is founded upon. Whether you like football, beach music, or Trick Pony is a matter of differing tastes. What is going on at this hotel has nothing to do with taste but rather an infraction of a higher law. However what is happening at this hotel is.

[billbears]

Actually, it didn't. Matter of fact some of the northern states didn't drop the official until the 1860s or forced to by the 14th

[Phantom Lord]

. What is going on at this hotel has nothing to do with taste but rather an infraction of a higher law.

And by extention then, the government then not only has an interest in, but a duty to ban said activities regardless of where they are occuring.

The government has its fingers in far to many pies. I support the baking of more pies and the cutting off of government fingers.

[Phantom Lord]

Banana

[cardinal4]

Just caught a blurb on the TV,I cant believe the waves this is making in STL. But an exploding meth lab in a south county motel cannot garner any legislative support for changing laws regarding precursor chemicals or enforcing motel ID checking laws.

[general_re]

The production of explosives and crystal meth is illegal.

Tying up my wife and spanking her is not.

I dunno, chief - I think I'm gonna have to hear your wife's opinion on this. Hang on a sec, lemme run back upstairs and untie her.

;^)

[FreeTally]

Should he have been permitted to remain in business?

Legal use vs non-legal use. No brainer.

[Persuasion]

The government regulates morality all of the time. That is the purpose of things called "laws".

Right on.

[billbears]

At the federal level, yes. State level? No. It's up to the states to determine the morality the majority of the citizens wish to live by

[Persuasion]

what you want to do in private is noones buisness.
Slick, is that you?

If something is wrong it doesn't matter whether or not it is public or private.

If I kill you in the privacy of my own home, it is certainly the business of the law.
Wrong is wrong is wrong. No matter where you do it.

[Phantom Lord]

So is it fair to say that you support the state government enacting, and enforcing laws at the point of a gun that regulate, restrict, and ban what consenting adults can do sexually in privacy behind closed doors?

If it is not fair to say, then please explain your position in regardes to the above since it seems to me that is your position.

[cardinal4]

See my posts 13,and 38. Im not condoning anything,Im just saying that one type of morality regulating can lead to another. And please dont refer to me as x42,I find THAT very offensive.

[Persuasion]

Im not talking about things already illegal like murder. Oops, didn't see that part. *Looks a bit sheepish*
But as I said before - wrong is wrong, legal or not. There are a lot of things that are legal at this time that are wrong.
Enron exposed some of them.

Those things are still, in my opinion, the business of others.

We have to pay attention to things before we can make laws about them. It would be ridiculous to make legislation against
something without first looking into the problems with it. Thus, many things that are legal and private HAVE to be our business.