Posted on 04/23/2002 10:26:58 AM PDT by cardinal4
Edited on 05/11/2004 5:33:34 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]
JEFFERSON CITY, Mo. (AP) -- As promised, a state senator on Tuesday called for an investigation into whether an upcoming sex workshop on bondage, domination and sadomasochism is legal and safe.
The resolution by Sen. John Loudon, R-Ballwin, calls for the state health department and attorney general to investigate the safety and legality of such events.
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Tying up my wife and spanking her is not.
The government regulates morality all of the time. That is the purpose of things called "laws". A completely bogus argument. Murder involves the taking of someone else's life. Thus, the government is protecting the right of the other to live. However, what many deem to be deviant sex acts between two consenting adults does not violate anyone's rights. Just because the government won't regulate private acts that hurt no one (or at least, in this case, hurts no one except those that want to be) doesn't mean that they won't regulate anything. There's a long way between bondage and murder.
Maybe we should do what they do in Singapore, and flog all people who engage in S&M.
Singapore has also banned chewing gum. Do we really want to emulate Singapore?
Singapore has also banned chewing gum. Do we really want to emulate Singapore?
Looks like someone missed the joke.
Now, the percived notion that the participants are going to be engaging in public sex acts is what is driving this local yokel to the podium in condemnation.
"Percieved" is the key word. NOTHING HAS HAPPENED. And the bizzare perversions that occur behind the close doors of the particpants motel rooms is none of the Govt's business anyway.
Now if the party moves into the parking lot and these people hold a public orgy, then by all means, lock them up for violating the LAWS THAT ARE CURRENTLY ON THE BOOKS!
Yep. I talked with Front Desk Manager at the hotel.Our company has its Pilot recruiting office and training center in an adjoining bldg.In fact new hire pilots and disptchers(like myself) stay in this hotel when they hired.Anyway last year at the same event the desk guy told me a truck pulled up with some "balance beam looking thing" with hooks and harnesses dangling from it, for delivery .When pressed for a description from the driver,he answered "Buddy do you really want to know?"
I hope this stuff stays inside where we dont have to see it.
Not my point. Of course you have a right to do all of the kinky sex stuff that you like with a consenting partner of legal ageas long as you don't open your doors and charge for admission. At that point, you become a public nuisance and fall under constraint of the law. I'm not advocating laws against S&M. I'm pointing out that societies have the right (and indeed, the obligation) to enforce a moral code via the promulgation of laws. In this case, the offending action is not the practice of S&M, but rather the creation of a public nuisance.
I find the state fair, and NC State basketball and football games attract such large crowds near my home as to be a nuisance. Not the practice of playing sports mind you, but the nuisance they create. How can we go about getting these gatherings banned?
Don't even get me started on the nuisance that Jimmy Buffet causes around here or the seemingly endless stream of country music concerts.
Your 'public nuisance' is anothers pleasure.
The engaging in legal behaviour is legal and not the business of government to be banning the gathering of people to engage in legal behaviour on private property.
Its quite conceivable to me that government legislating of morality can lead to things like the above mentioned scenario.
Are the sex acts confined to the bedrooms or do they spill over to the pool and common areas (where other guests would be exposed to fluids and witnessing the acts)?
Does the jurisdiction permit sex dungeons and swingers nightclubs? Some swinger social nightclubs do not permit sex to occur on the property (although reports come in of people having sex in the parking lot in their cars).
These are the questions that need to be asked of prosecutors. As I say, calling this a "workshop" allows the banner of an educational seminar to blur the real purpose of the weekend. Early hardcore films purported to be an expose of the changing sex laws in Europe (with titles like "Pornography In Denmark"). The courts put out the notion that obscenity has "no redeeming social value" so the hucksters make it "educational".
The gatherings in SF and DC this past weekend were called antiwar protests but they were anything but if you bothered to watch. The language used defines an argument. Don't start yourself out in a losing position having to knock down straw man arguments.
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