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GAY-BASH HOMILY DIDN'T HAVE EGAN BLESSING
New York Post ^ | 4/23/02 | DAN MANGAN

Posted on 04/23/2002 1:36:56 AM PDT by kattracks

Edited on 05/26/2004 5:05:54 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

A St. Patrick's Cathedral priest who is under fire for a sermon bashing homosexuality as the prime cause of priest child-molestation said yesterday he did not clear Sunday's homily with his boss, Edward Cardinal Egan, even as the archdiocese distanced itself from his remarks.


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To: jaq
Well, I see that you're willing to carry the water for the liberal press: It's HOMOSEXUALS, NOT PEDOPHILES! Deal with it.

That's funny, I thought sex with kids was pedophilia. And these priests didn't just do boys.

21 posted on 04/23/2002 5:34:05 AM PDT by Quila
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To: newzjunkey
Not having grown up in the Catholic Church, perhaps you could educate me as to whether there is equal opportunity access boys vs. girls in the Catholic Church setting for a paedophile posing as a priest.

Most Definately!
Most Catholic Parishes are comprised not only of the church and rectory, but full blown K-8th schools/Gyms/Cafeterias, etc. The population of a typical Parish has as much girls as boys. Also, many girls are now serving as Altar Servers (f/k/a/ Altar Boys)

So, yes, there would be equal opportunity for a pedophile to get to girls as to boys. Clearly, these incidences are homosexual in large part. Not pedophilic.

22 posted on 04/23/2002 5:40:21 AM PDT by peteram
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To: kattracks
"....he did not clear Sunday's homily with his boss....Egan's spokesman Joseph Zwilling confirmed the cardinal did not clear Clark's homily...."

WOW! ! !

23 posted on 04/23/2002 5:42:09 AM PDT by Robert Drobot
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To: Quila
That's funny, I thought sex with kids was pedophilia. And these priests didn't just do boys.

Then you're an uninformed wise ass. The preponderance of cases involves homosexual priests and adolescents. Pedophilia, for you edification, by definition involves pre pubescents.

24 posted on 04/23/2002 5:47:36 AM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: Quila
That's funny, I thought sex with kids was pedophilia. And these priests didn't just do boys.

That's funny, last I read the great majority of victims were "teenage boys". Guess the Priests like their own "virgins".

25 posted on 04/23/2002 5:55:46 AM PDT by wattsmag2
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To: kattracks
Can't these people even protect the true believers? Still worried about being politically correct and not realizing that is what got them into all this trouble in the first place.
26 posted on 04/23/2002 5:58:47 AM PDT by OldFriend
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To: Quila
But you knew all of that already, didn't ya?
27 posted on 04/23/2002 5:59:58 AM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: jwalsh07, wattsmag2
The preponderance of cases involves homosexual priests and adolescents.

A preponderance or majority, not all. In any case, the point is that while this priest is giving a sermon against homosexuality and pedophilia, many of his brethren are engaged in the same. Christ has a perfect lesson against this kind of thinking.

28 posted on 04/23/2002 6:02:29 AM PDT by Quila
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To: kattracks
So now America's Catholic Priests, the 99.9988 percent [Actual Statistic] of them, that is, who are not child molesting sexually deviant homosexual perverts, are to be taken to task for Truth Telling?

God save US!

29 posted on 04/23/2002 6:08:00 AM PDT by Brian Allen
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To: jwalsh07;quila
Then you're an uninformed wise ass. The preponderance of cases involves homosexual priests and adolescents. Pedophilia, for you edification, by definition involves pre pubescents.

Age of the victim is not relevant to the point, the standard is "same-sex attraction", if you're a man and do boys you be gay. It’s a simple concept Quila has difficulty with. Homosexual pedophilia, homosexuality, hebephilia, pedastery are all the same pathology and all paraphilias.

30 posted on 04/23/2002 6:08:31 AM PDT by Clint N. Suhks
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To: kattracks
I don't give a rat's butt what this guy said about gays, but I take special offense to his remark that America is "probably the most immoral country" in the Western Hemisphere. He's out of line with that remark. We might just as well say the Catholic Church is probably the most perverted Church in the Western Hemisphere. But we don't say that, because without some objective data to back it up, it would be merely anecdotal and subjective. Maybe the Catholic Church is the most perverted Church, but without data, it'd be wrong to say so.
31 posted on 04/23/2002 6:22:42 AM PDT by Huck
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To: Quila
Horseshiite! Most of the problem priests are fags. Get rid of all of them, and that will be the end of most of the problems.
32 posted on 04/23/2002 6:25:44 AM PDT by ohioman
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To: ohioman
Can we print up the

"BOY SCOUTS WORRY LESS THAN ALTAR BOYS"

bumper stickers yet?

That, IMHO would be one of the best social messages of this day (I'd take the sticker off your car at the mall as you'd probably come back to a scrached door later after shopping), in this world we live in.......

33 posted on 04/23/2002 6:40:19 AM PDT by AmericanInTokyo
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To: Robert Drobot
If they don't watch it, IMHO, i.e. with the entrenched liberal hierarachy that is apparantly tolerant of homosexuality in the Catholic American priesthood and that go on to attack those who tell the truth in public (as they are doing here in NYC now), there is liable to be a SCHISM in the American Catholic Church, between the permissive PC humanists and the traditionalist purists. I see it coming. Does anyone else? Americans can be impatient if they detect an unecessarily slow pace of reforms when they encounter an institutionalized evil.

I know where most of my friends would end up. This is sad.

34 posted on 04/23/2002 6:46:26 AM PDT by AmericanInTokyo
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To: kattracks
did not clear Sunday's homily with his boss, Edward Cardinal Egan

As far as I know, an ordained clergy does not have to "clear" their homilies with anyone. They may eventually be chastised for what they say, but I believe all clerics are protected under canon law to preach the gospel truth. Period!

35 posted on 04/23/2002 6:54:51 AM PDT by ThomasMore
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To: ohioman
When I lived in Southern Illinois, almost every priest in the Belleville diocese was exposed as having sexually abused young males. They were not prosecuted. They were wisked away for some sort of "therapy" and reassigned after their therapy. I assume the families were paid off in some settlement. This has been going on for centuries with the full knowledge and approval of the pope and the church heirarchy. There were no priests as a special church office in the New Testament as there had been in the Old Testament--and the bishops-pastors-elders were commanded to be married [Old Testament priests were married also]. We need neither a priest nor a pope. Christ is our high priest and all believers are priests who can go directly to God with their prayers and confessions of sin.

Hebrews 7:22 by so much more Jesus has become a surety of a better covenant. 23 Also there were many priests, because they were prevented by death from continuing. 24 But He, because He continues forever, has an unchangeable priesthood. 25 Therefore He is also able to save to the uttermost those who come to God through Him, since He always lives to make intercession for them. 26 For such a High Priest was fitting for us, [who] [is] holy, harmless, undefiled, separate from sinners, and has become higher than the heavens; 27 who does not need daily, as those high priests, to offer up sacrifices, first for His own sins and then for the people's, for this He did once for all when He offered up Himself. 28 For the law appoints as high priests men who have weakness, but the word of the oath, which came after the law, [appoints] the Son who has been perfected forever. 8:1 Now [this] [is] the main point of the things we are saying: We have such a High Priest , who is seated at the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens, 1 Timothy 2:5 For [there] [is] one God and one Mediator between God and men, [the] Man Christ Jesus,

Rev.1:5 and from Jesus Christ, the faithful witness, the firstborn from the dead, and the ruler over the kings of the earth. To Him who loved us and washed us from our sins in His own blood, 6 and has made us kings and priests to His God and Father, to Him [be] glory and dominion forever and ever. Amen.

1 Peter 2:5 you also, as living stones, are being built up a spiritual house, a holy priesthood , to offer up spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ.6 Therefore it is also contained in the Scripture, "Behold, I lay in Zion A chief cornerstone, elect, precious, And he who believes on Him will by no means be put to shame." 7 Therefore, to you who believe, [He] [is] precious; but to those who are disobedient, "The stone which the builders rejected Has become the chief cornerstone," 8 and "A stone of stumbling And a rock of offense." They stumble, being disobedient to the word, to which they also were appointed. 9 But you [are] a chosen generation, a royal priesthood , a holy nation, His own special people, that you may proclaim the praises of Him who called you out of darkness into His marvelous light; 10 who once [were] not a people but [are] now the people of God, who had not obtained mercy but now have obtained mercy.

1 Timothy 3:2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife , temperate, sober-minded, of good behavior, hospitable, able to teach;

1 Timothy 4:1 Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith, giving heed to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons, 2 speaking lies in hypocrisy, having their own conscience seared with a hot iron, 3 forbidding to marry, [and] [commanding] to abstain from foods which God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and know the truth.

36 posted on 04/23/2002 7:12:03 AM PDT by razorbak
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To: SkyPilot
"I can GUARANTEE YOU that as this is posted, Homosexual activists are busy manning their keyboards and fax machines to make sure the topic is shifted."

Bump

CONTROVERSY IN THE CATHOLIC CHURCH: Homosexuals start to attack Crisis

Washington Whispers 4/29/02 [Father Gay: Gay groups are freaking out]

37 posted on 04/23/2002 7:13:44 AM PDT by EdReform
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To: ThomasMore
If Egan gives Clark any flack over his homily there are quite a few parishes who would gladly accept the Monsignor as their priest.
39 posted on 04/23/2002 7:17:34 AM PDT by SMEDLEYBUTLER
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To: EdReform
It's too early for lunch. So this is just a bump, bump.
40 posted on 04/23/2002 7:19:04 AM PDT by scripter
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