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To: vannrox; Alamo-Girl
Alamo-Girl has extensive info on this subject.
2 posted on 04/22/2002 11:41:12 AM PDT by japaneseghost
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To: japaneseghost
Not discounting that these kinds of things may have and probably have/do occur. I am very cautious about believing memories recovered under hypnosis.

With the large number of "recovered memories" from alleged sexual abuse cases having been disproved, that method, to me, does not have the best track record.

4 posted on 04/22/2002 1:07:52 PM PDT by Ghengis
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To: japaneseghost
Thanks for the heads up! Here's a few items from the Downside Legacy:

“The CIA was involved, directly or indirectly, in plots against seven foreign leaders: Castro, Patrice Lumumba of the Congo, Rafael Trujillo of the Dominican Republic, President Salvador Allende of Chile, President Ngo Dinh Diem of South Vietnam, President Francois Duvalier of Haiti and President Sukarno of Indonesia. Four of these leaders died violently, with the CIA's level of complicity and involvement varying widely… All of this, including the details about the monkeys, the botulinum pills and the mob, is set forth in one of the most remarkable documents ever issued about the U.S. government, `Alleged Assassination Plots Involving Foreign Leaders.' The 347-page report was made public in 1975 by the Senate intelligence committee then headed by Sen. Frank Church, an Idaho Democrat... The committee also revealed that the CIA had a unit called Executive Action, which was in charge of planning to bump off foreign leaders, and something called the `Health Alteration Committee,' the purpose of which was exactly what its name stated. It was just such ghastly details--including the CIA's effort to infect Lumumba's toothbrush with a deadly African disease--that led President Gerald Ford to issue an executive order on Feb. 18, 1976, banning assassinations by U.S. agencies. ……” Wise, David. “No License To Kill.” Congressional Record Central Intelligence Agency Page: S183 New York Times. January 23, 1990. http://www.fas.org/irp/congress/1990_cr/s900123-hit.htm (6 February 2001)

"....President Clinton relies so much on private investigators to dig up dirt on political enemies, it's said he has his own private CIA. But an offhand remark by Terry Lenzner -- the super-sleuth most often hired by Clinton's attorneys to do the dirt-digging -- reveals there's more than a little truth to that quip. In a sworn deposition, the former Senate Watergate Committee attorney turned gumshoe admitted at least one significant connection to the Central Intelligence Agency. ….On March 13, Lenzner was deposed by Larry Klayman of Judicial Watch in connection with Filegate: the White House confiscation of over 900 FBI files on Bush and Reagan administration employees….. when asked if he were currently doing any work for the CIA, he volunteered information beyond the question. "No," said Lenzner. "I think the only work I've ever done with the CIA was, I represented two or three former CIA employees during the Church Senate hearings (in 1975), including the former head of the Technical Services Division, Sidney Gottlieb. And, indeed, I sued the Senate committee to keep his name out of the assassination report on the grounds that it might endanger his life and his family's life." Sidney Gottlieb. There's a name from the past. The fact that Terry Lenzner represented him and actually sued a Senate committee on his behalf speaks volumes. Gottlieb was the CIA's real-life Dr. Strangelove -- a brilliant chemist who headed MK-ULTRA, the agency's most far-reaching drug and mind-control program at the height of the Cold War. . Among the first things the Church Committee looked at were allegations of attempted "executive actions" -- that is, assassinations -- against foreign leaders during the early 1960s. Gottlieb was called out of retirement to explain MK-ULTRA's role in assassination attempts against Patrice Lumumba, prime minister of Zaire (formerly the Belgian Congo), and Cuba's Fidel Castro. The former civil rights attorney Terry Lenzner -- now in private practice -- saw to it that a man who admitted heading projects to terminate two communist leaders could use an assumed name. He testified as Joseph Scheider, but revealed his true name in later hearings on MK-ULTRA……" Foster, Sarah. “Terry Lenzner’s CIA Connection.” World Net Daily. November 19, 1998. http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a37e49d550672.htm (6 February 2001)

Sleeper theories proposed for Waco

8 posted on 04/22/2002 7:45:16 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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