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To: elfman2
Principled conservative would agree that we shouldn't be "required" to do anything to them,

That's a principled libertarian. Conservatives are not libertarians.

I don't know the sexual redirection success rate, but I assume it begins with the best candidates.

Our knowledge of mental illness is not perfect. Outside of spiritual issues, the success rate is about the same as for other disorders such as schizophrenia.

I've always figured that the entire population is on some kind of curve regarding their sexuality.

Principled conservatives don't base their policies on what they've always figured. Ex-gays always, (OK, to be fair I know of no exceptions but I don't know of a study) cite recruitment or sexual abuse as the thing that started them down that path.

Several times here I've asked if anyone would be enthusiastic about having their daughter marry and start a family with a "reforming" homosexual.

Having known some outstanding husbands who are ex-gay, I would. It depends on him, of course, just as it depends on him if he were never SAD.

So with that in mind, homosexuals must realize that they're going to have a hard time finding women up their standards

Actually, the biggest problem they have, from what they have told me, is being accepted in the non-SAD society. The SAD community has a strong emotional support system and when they leave their SAD lifestyle behind they lose that. When they walk into places where they should expect support, such as a church, for instance, they often feel like lepers. That, as much as anything, drives them back to their SAD lifestyle.

Not every church is bad about this, you understand, but a lot of them have been and are only just waking up.

I don't have a problem with the Church expelling homosexuals. It's their organization, and they have a right to set the standards. I simply don't like them blaming anyone but themselves for creating the circumstances that attracts so many and then gives them solitary access to boys.

First you tell me that SADs don't like to be celibate because they tend to be oversexed. Then you tell me they are attracted to a field that requires celibacy?

No, the only thing the church did to attract them was to promise to look the other way from their SAD condition. They don't need to end the celibacy requirement to keep SADs out, they just need to refuse them entry, like the Boy Scouts.

Shalom.

394 posted on 04/25/2002 1:30:12 PM PDT by ArGee
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To: ArGee
" That's a principled libertarian. Conservatives are not libertarians."

They share many similarities. This is one. Demanding that taxpayers support new social programs with questionable goals without even providing overwhelming evidence of their success is not conservative. It's a form of statism that's frequently practiced by progressives, socialist and totalitarians.

" Principled conservatives don't base their policies on what they've always figured. "

Uh-huh, If you're going to go out of your way to be contentious over semantics, that doesn’t say much for the validity of your argument.

" First you tell me that SADs don't like to be celibate because they tend to be oversexed. Then you tell me they are attracted to a field that requires celibacy?"

Yes, but one that provides them great authority, lots of private time with boys and protection and forgiveness afterwards.

" They don't need to end the celibacy requirement to keep SADs out, they just need to refuse them entry, like the Boy Scouts."

Many people obviously disagree. It's not my battle. If it works, fine. If it works like I think, the trial lawyers will bleed them into fixing it for real.

Shalom

396 posted on 04/25/2002 2:11:41 PM PDT by elfman2
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