The Tower of Babel

self | 04/21/02 | self

[medved]

Interesting quote. What's your estimation as to whether or not a capability such as this thread is about could evolve?

[Elsie]

Whether???

ZERO!

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By the time that the 'transmitter' had evolved, the 'receiver' would have given up and devolved!

[Elsie]

(The DECISION process that says, "Wait! Don't throw that away: you're going to need it later.", is the really TRICKY part of the whole deal.........)

[opinionator]

What's your take on volcanoes? 'Geological forces at work' or 'the hand of God'?

[medved]

Geological forces at work.

[vannrox]

Thanks for the BUMP. This is a good read. Incidently, I also read "The Origin of Consciousness in the Breakdown of the Bicameral Mind". It is a very good read. May I also suggest...


The following books are not historical narriations or inqueries. Rather they discuss the nature of Mind and How mind affects what happens around us. It is, in a twisted way, obliquely related to your work on the babel and twisted contortions of language.


"The Self Aware Universe" - How Consciousness creates the Material World.
By Amit Goswami, PhD. ISBN 0-87477-798-4


"Synchronicity" - The Bridge between Matter and Mind.
By F. David Peat. ISBN 0-553-34676-8.


"The Presence of the Past" - Morphic Resonance and the Habits of Nature.
By Rupert Sheldrake ISBN 0-89281-537-X


Now the above three books suggest that we are naturally inclined towards entropy and the lowest energy state. That what we think about and how we act and how we interact all ties together. It does this in such a way that it is a natural to speak differently from one and other. And it is this difference in communication that contributes to misunderstandings.


That it is the nature of man to want and yearn for misunderstandings. Thus the highest state is one of singular language and understanding. Thus the Tower of Babel is but a fine example of how history and nature depopulated communication. What is so surprising is that for this to be so, that implies that the first humans must of been at a "higher" state (of entropy) than present day humans. Think about it.


Now isn't that what all the religions teach? What about the bible? The currently applied notion that we as humans are improving our life and lives is erronous. We are actually doing the opposite.

[medved]

I met Sheldrake at the Kronia conference in Nevada last summer; the man's on the shortest possible list of the brightest people I've come across. You might have noticed the link to Sheldrake's www site (the Nkisi story) which I included at the bottom of the article above. Nkisi is a little African gray parrot and part of an experiment in animal/human communication possibilities in NY who has been home-schooled for several years and has at least the English vocabulary of a human child the same age. Sheldrake and the lady who primarily works with Nkisi claim the bird has telepathic capabilities and they appear to have documented it via experiment.

I do have a copy of Sheldrake's "Seven Experiments Which Could Change the World"; I haven't read the one you mention.

[scripter]

Self index ping. Thanks.

[gavriloprincip]

Egyptian heiroglyphics are actually phonetic rather than pictorial. They are remarkably similar to the modern english alphabet.

[medved]

Egyptian heiroglyphics are actually phonetic rather than pictorial. They are remarkably similar to the modern english alphabet.

I am no expert on heiroglyphics but.... are you sure you aren't thinking of "hieratic" writing? As I've heard it, they found three kinds of writing on the Rosetta stone, heiroglyphics which had been a total mystery, hierratic writing, which was a later and phoenetic Egyptian writing, and then more modern, phoenetic writing.