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To: Feenian
Arabs have lived peacefully side by side with other religions and people without destabilization till modern times.

That is simply not true. They have never lived side by side with even themselves peacfully without a Brutal dictator King Sultan etc where they had no self determination whatsoever.

Destabiliztion in Palestine per se came with Zionism and the push for a Jewish state.

There was a great deal of destablization before WWII because the British weren't repressive enouph. The destablization after the UN tried to create a Jewish state in Palestine was the result of a power vacume created by the British backing off even more and eventually leaving. There was no one powerfull enouph that was willingto replace them.

I agree that the most of the anger was a result of the influx of Jews but they would have fought each other anyway if they hadn't had the Jews to fight until a dictator or king took over.

Instead of finally getting a Palestinian State in all of Palestine like they wanted and had never had before They refused because they thought that they could take it by force. It was thier choice. They screwed up. They can be pissed about it but not at us. It's not our fault. We didn't even arm the Jews then. The Soviets did.

They were hoping that the Jews would choose communism and they knew that they couldn't deal with the Palestinians. After the Jews chose democracy we started suporting them openly and rightfully so.

What you blame on the Arab press, therefore, I would blame on the inevitable clash that comes when one group arrives from outside to dominate another already there.

I don't blame all of the anger on the Arab press. They just make it much worse and make resolution impossible by lieing inceasently.

The Zionists did not come to blend in or get along. They came to take over and build a state.

Agreed

The hate is the effect of, not the cause of, what is actually experienced on the ground

Part of the hate is created by what is experienced on the ground but a big part of it , if not most of it , is the result brainwashing from birth from the constent barrage of lies that they are force fed their whole lives. Sure they have a right to be pissed but much of their anger comes from false propaganda and much of it is missplaced because of all of the false propaganda.

first by the expulsion in '48

You've got to be kidding. There was no expulsion in '48.

The Most of the Palestinians left because of the false propaganda by the Arab press at the time because they had lost the war , against all odds , that they started.

The Arab press was trying to gain Western sympathy by making up stories of Jews murdering and gang raping Palestinians. Like they're doing now. The Palestinians didn't know that the stories were almost entirely fabricated.

In one town a couple of dozen men were executed by Jewish civilians. That was it. Then the Arab press scared the sh** out of the Palestinian population by saying that Palestinians were being mass murdered and gang raped. So , most of the Palestinians packed up and left , of their own free will ,trying to escape attrocities that weren't happening. Then they were told by the new Jewish State that most of them wouldn't be allowed to come back to their homes. They had to either resettle in Jordan or somewhere in Isreal of Isrealis choosing. That's a good reason to be pissed but their anger is largely missplaced.

after WWII we took not a square inch of land and got out as soon as possible.

We got bases all over to keep it from happening again and to fight the expansion of the Soviet Union. We gained invaluable strategic territory. We have bases in Saudi Arabia but we are such pussies we let the Saudis tell us when we can and can't use them. Big mistake.

The Isrealis have demostrated over and over again that they are willing to trade land for peace , even very strategically and economically important land. The only thing that the Palestinians will trade of peace are dead Jews.

175 posted on 04/22/2002 7:19:19 PM PDT by CHQmacer
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