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To: FreedomeFighter1
I never did understand the whole Catholic celibacy thing. It has never caused anything but trouble. I am the son, grandson, and great-grandson of ministers of the gospel. No celibacy there. Never could find that verse in the Bible requiring those who guide the flock can't be married.

Celibacy is a discipline and not a doctrine. Melchisedech, Elias, Paul, John the Baptist and Christ Himself, amongst others were celibate.

Several of the apostles were married and Paul, though single, specifically mentions that it is fine to marry. The only requirement I see is that deacons should only have one wife.

The Apostles gave up everything, including wives; Matthew 19:27-29, to follow Christ. By the way, besides mentioning Peters' mother-in-law where does Scripture mention the other Apostles' wives and where does it mention them engaging in sexual relations with their wives?

Of course, the Bible doesn't mention the Pope, monks, nuns, confession booths, purgatory, cardinals, the vicar of Christ, Mary's perpetual virginity (she had other children you know) or sinlessness (all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God), praying to the saints, or veneration of relic just to name a few things. Just my two bits.

Your two bits aren't worth a penny and shows how little you know of Scripture. The Bible doesn't contain the words Trinity, Incarnation or Bible, so why do you believe in them? The Bible doesn't tell us of the deaths of the Apostles, with the exception of the traitor Judas, or Joseph so obviously they are all still alive, right? Mary had no other children, Scripture does not describe Her and Joseph having any other children, Scripture does not tell us that Mary remarried and even Calvin, Zwingli and Luther wrote that She remained a virgin. To state that She did remarry or had other children is non-Scriptural. Christ never sinned, prior to the fall Adam and Eve didn't sin and no one but Mary is called "full of grace" in Scripture. Since every sin diminishes grace Mary could not have been full of grace if Her soul was touched by sin.

Seems you need to reread the Bible (which were it not for the Catholic Church would not exist as a book). In particular:

John 21:25

1 Corinthians 11:2

2 Thessalonians 2:15, 3:6

You might also read The Protoevangelium of James the Apostle, who actually knew the Blessed Virgin Mary. If you'd like the quotes from Calvin, Luther and Zwingli on the Blessed Virgin Mary, I'll be happy to provide them too.

95 posted on 04/20/2002 11:21:56 PM PDT by SMEDLEYBUTLER
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To: SMEDLEYBUTLER
Aside from the fact that why wouldn't you marry to have sex that isn't what the Church teaches though is it? It doesn't teach its priests to marry, as in man and wife, and remain celibate.
163 posted on 04/21/2002 11:07:07 AM PDT by marajade
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