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Parts similar to Steyn's National Post column from today.
1 posted on 04/19/2002 5:39:59 PM PDT by Pokey78
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To: Howlin; Riley1992; Miss Marple; deport; Dane; sinkspur; steve; kattracks; JohnHuang2...
Ping for the MSPL.
2 posted on 04/19/2002 5:42:18 PM PDT by Pokey78
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To: Pokey78
yesterday's Telegraph, Terje Roed-Larsen, the "UN special coordinator for the Middle East peace process", described the devastation at the refugee camp as "horrific beyond belief".

Update: Terje's backpedalling

3 posted on 04/19/2002 5:43:49 PM PDT by xm177e2
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the day before the Red Cross jerks went into Jenin, PBS ran a Frontline special filmed behind terrorist lines in Jenin within the last six weeks. The place was wall-to-wall terrorists, and buildings housed huge chaches of weapons, bins of gunpowder and other explosives, some quite sophisticated. One was added to mortar shells to bring temperature up to 4,000 degrees. If you'd dropped a match in that camp, the whole place would have blown sky high. Apparently the Israelis dropped a match and now the world is complaining about the deaths of the mythical innocents.
4 posted on 04/19/2002 5:51:09 PM PDT by PoisedWoman
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Jenin surely didn't look like what I thought a refugee camp would look like. There were no tents, no outdoor campfires to stay warm or cook a few beans.

Best I can tell, it wasn't a camp at all. The "refugees" all had apartments just like everyone else on the West Bank.

It looks to me like any other city, except that it's called a "camp" for political purposes.

I wonder if I'm missing something.

6 posted on 04/19/2002 5:59:58 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: Pokey78
Excellent. I know just the thread to link this to...
7 posted on 04/19/2002 6:03:57 PM PDT by hellinahandcart
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To: Pokey78
Great article! The UN sucks weiners.
8 posted on 04/19/2002 6:12:16 PM PDT by monkeyshine
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To: Pokey78
Excellent piece! Just excellent!

Thanks for the post and the ping, Pokey.

11 posted on 04/19/2002 6:34:45 PM PDT by TopQuark
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"That's what's "horrific beyond belief": that the UN is complicit in terrorism."

Can I be the first to call on the use of the Bush Doctrine against the UN?

13 posted on 04/19/2002 7:46:57 PM PDT by Kermit
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To: Pokey78
BRAVO! You have to admit that Mark Steyn is totally brilliant!
14 posted on 04/19/2002 7:54:37 PM PDT by McGavin999
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Bump/Ping
17 posted on 04/19/2002 11:41:17 PM PDT by Brian Allen
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There is one missing item in his analysis - explaining the primary motive for the average UN worker on the ground siding with the Palistinians and thus becoming complicit in terrorism. They are there to administer UN payouts. And they do not want to be blown apart by the people they are making the payouts to. So they appease them, take their side, bash the Israelis.

It is the only form of submission the Palis acknowledge. Only someone who bashes the Israelis will be treated as something other than a target. You are anti-Israeli, or you will be blown to pieces, or lynched, or shot by masked men in the middle of the street in broad daylight. That is how the whole thing works. Adopt and mimic our hatred, or we will direct it at you. They submit, they cower, they comply. They hate those the mad bombers want them to hate.

The same threat and the same reaction plays out in Europe. What we are witnessing is the revival of Jew hatred as a major political concept world wide, out of world wide cowardice in the face of Bin Laden and his merry band of murderers. Dislike of ruling Anglo-saxon powers, and of capitalism, are stirred into the brew as well. The targets of the hatred are supposed to deserve it, as representing everything anyone on the modern world dislikes about it. Where have we seen this all before?

21 posted on 04/20/2002 9:30:15 AM PDT by JasonC
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Which raises the one question that matters: why is the Jenin refugee camp still there? The Palestinians are the only people on earth with their own permanent UN agency - the Union Nations Relief and Works Agency for Palestine Refugees, established shortly after the Arabs lost their first dumb war against Israel in 1948. It was assumed UNRWA would be a temporary effort, as they usually are, and that the Arab nations would soon take over responsibility. But the Arabs shrewdly calculated that the Palestinians were more use to them in UN hands. So here we are in Jenin, a "refugee camp" about to celebrate its golden jubilee. Founded in 1953, it's been a refugee camp under Jordan, under Israel, under the Palestinian Authority. It's a refugee camp older than most African, Caribbean or Pacific states. But the UNRWA still launches its "emergency" appeals, for an emergency from 54 years ago, when the IDF halted the Iraqis at Jenin.
24 posted on 04/20/2002 9:42:23 AM PDT by RobbyS
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To: Pokey78
I just came across this brilliant Mark Steyn article. Thought I'd give it a little bump.
26 posted on 04/20/2002 2:02:01 PM PDT by Isadora Duncan
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Here's the Egyptian article he quoted:

Al-Ahram Weekly | Invasion | The 'engineer'

The 'engineer'

An engineer of the fiercest battle waged by the Palestinians during the invasion of the West Bank spoke to Jonathan Cook about the days of defiance in Jenin

Omar sits restlessly on his chair in the safe-house. He is an "engineer" from Jenin refugee camp: one of the revered bomb-makers from the City of the Bombers. To the Israelis he is the most lethal, and wanted, of terrorists. The poison from the Cobra's head.

We meet late last Thursday, hours after he escaped from the camp as Israeli soldiers took control of the area. We are still close enough to Jenin that we can see the constant stream of illumination flares, three launched by the army at a time, that light up the soldiers' dark work in the city below.

But Omar will not be staying here long. He is going to ground deeper in the West Bank before regrouping with his comrades from Jenin.

There may not be too many. Even according to Israeli army sources, at least a hundred fighters were killed and hundreds more wounded and captured during the eight days of savage fighting.

Omar will not give his name or age. He is slim, in his mid-20s, with a closely cropped beard. He is a member of Islamic Jihad, but says in Jenin all the factions were loyal to only one cause: liberation or death.

Visible beneath a blue bomber jacket is the tightly bandaged stump of his right arm, the end of which he rubs distractedly.

How did he lose it? During the previous invasion of Jenin by the Israeli army several weeks ago, he says. He was hiding with only his arm visible as he tried to throw a 'kwa' -- a home-made pipe bomb -- at a tank. Shrapnel from a shell severed it, he says.

But as a bomb-maker, one of the most highly respected positions in the Palestinian resistance, he could equally have lost the arm in less glorious circumstances: in one of the explosions that are a professional hazard of his job.

Omar admits he is one of only a few dozen fighters not to emerge either dead or in plastic handcuffs from the fiercest battle waged by the Palestinians during the Israeli army's invasion of the West Bank.

Of his group of 30 gunmen, only four escaped from the camp on Wednesday, after the Palestinian arsenal ran dry. Most of the others were shot dead.

"Of all the fighters in the West Bank we were the best prepared," he says. "We started working on our plan: to trap the invading soldiers and blow them up from the moment the Israeli tanks pulled out of Jenin last month."

Omar and other "engineers" made hundreds of explosive devices and carefully chose their locations.

"We had more than 50 houses booby-trapped around the camp. We chose old and empty buildings and the houses of men who were wanted by Israel because we knew the soldiers would search for them," he said.

"We cut off lengths of mains water pipes and packed them with explosives and nails. Then we placed them about four metres apart throughout the houses -- in cupboards, under sinks, in sofas."

The fighters hoped to disable the Israeli army's tanks with much more powerful bombs placed inside rubbish bins on the street. More explosives were hidden inside the cars of Jenin's most wanted men.

Connected by wires, the bombs were set off remotely, triggered by the current from a car battery.

According to Omar, everyone in the camp, including the children, knew where the explosives were located so that there was no danger of civilians being injured. It was the one weakness in the plan.

"We were betrayed by the spies among us," he says. The wires to more than a third of the bombs were cut by soldiers accompanied by collaborators. "If it hadn't been for the spies, the soldiers would never have been able to enter the camp. Once they penetrated the camp, it was much harder to defend."

And what about the explosion and ambush last Tuesday which killed 13 soldiers?

"They were lured there," he says. "We all stopped shooting and the women went out to tell the soldiers that we had run out of bullets and were leaving." The women alerted the fighters as the soldiers reached the booby- trapped area.

"When the senior officers realised what had happened, they shouted through megaphones that they wanted an immediate cease-fire. We let them approach to retrieve the men and then opened fire.

"Some of the soldiers were so shocked and frightened that they mistakenly ran towards us."

On Wednesday, after the fighters ran out of ammunition, he says, armoured vehicles roamed the streets calling out to them in Arabic: "You are finished and can't win against us. We are more powerful than you. Surrender."

He saw one fighter who went down to the street with his hands in the air shot dead by snipers. He chose to flee the camp, although he will not say how.

Using his left arm, Omar shot a revolver during the gun battles.

With a new intensity on his face, he leans forward to ask a question. Do I think the doctors will be able to give him a strong new artificial arm with fingers he can operate. I don't know, I say. Why?

"Because I want to be able to hold a heavy rifle again. That way I can kill more Israeli soldiers. It's that or become a suicide bomber."

28 posted on 04/20/2002 7:38:57 PM PDT by Huck
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Bump.
29 posted on 04/20/2002 7:55:09 PM PDT by aculeus
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That's what's "horrific beyond belief": that the UN is complicit in terrorism.

If we stick to the Bush doctrine, pretty soon we should start bombing the UN.

32 posted on 04/21/2002 1:34:27 PM PDT by Grig
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