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To: Justa
What 1993 attack are you talking about, Waco? Boy, if the OKC epic has morphed that way I would take it as an indication the discussion was being sponsored by the American Pharmaceutical Association.

I suggest you get your chronological history straight before you start calling people idiots. First of all, my comment was in response to a question asking if anyone had used ANFO prior to OKC. My response was yes - the WTC in 1993. There was no mention in my post regarding Arab, Middle Eastern, Islamic, or anyone else's involvement in OKC. So I would suggest that you learn to read before you start calling people idiots in gigantic red letters.

Here is the full text of the post I replied to: That they occurred accidentally is largely irrelevant, as they HAPPENED on an OKC scale.

The response I replied to:Wrong. A shipload of amonium nitrate is a far cry from a ryder truckload. As I stated above, name one time a ANFO bomb was contructed to blow up a buiding before OKC.

My respons in full: Didn't they use ANFO and a Ryder van in 1993 to attempt to blow up the WTC? I recall seeing pictures showing that it was parked next to a reinforced wall which reflected the explosion outward. It also removed at least two floors from the parking garage but left the support beams basically intact.

My point was that someone had done that before, but thank God they were unsuccessful. Unfortunately, they would use another tactic eight years later with catastrophic results.

So in case you need more info, here it is:

From Interpol's website:

"On 26th February 1993, at approximately 12.18 p.m., an improvised explosive device exploded on the second level of the World Trade Center parking basement.

"The resulting blast produced a crater, approximately 150 feet in diameter and five floors deep, in the parking basement. The structure consisted mainly of steel-reinforced concrete, twelve to fourteen inches thick. The epicenter of the blast was approximately eight feet from the south wall of Trade Tower Number One, near the support column K31/8. The device had been placed in the rear cargo portion of a one-ton Ford F350 Econoline van, owned by the Ryder Rental Agency, Jersey City, New Jersey. Approximately 6,800 tons of material were displaced by the blast.

"The main explosive charge consisted primarily of approximately 1,200 to 1,500 pounds of a home-made fertilizer-based explosive, urea nitrate. The fusing system consisted of two 20-minute lengths of a non-electric burning type fuse such as green hobby fuse. The hobby fuse terminated in the lead azide, as the initiator.

"Also incorporated in the device and placed under the main explosive charge were three large metal cylinders (tare weight 126 pounds) of compressed hydrogen gas."

Fertilizer bombs were used in both attacks, with the one at the WTC occuring in 1993, two years prior to OKC which occurred in 1995.

Regarding the exact chemical composition of the explosive materials, yes they may be different chemically, but my point still remains, it had been done before. If anything, it reinforces the position that it can be used destructively.

Here is a link containing a picture of the damage done to the WTC in 1993.

116 posted on 04/20/2002 10:35:21 AM PDT by L_Von_Mises
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To: L_Von_Mises
"Regarding the exact chemical composition of the explosive materials, yes they may be different chemically, but my point still remains, it had been done before. If anything, it reinforces the position that it can be used destructively."

Well, ANFOs been used for decades as a commercial explosive. It's currently used extensively in strip mining operations so it's capabilities as an explosive should not be much of an issue. The 'cutter charge' clan presumes the Murrah building was some sort of a hardened concrete pillbox which required the use of military-grade demolition charges to bring it down. Architecture and gravity are irrelevant to their theories. Hence, the Evil Government Conspiracy.

Besides, the IRAs been using ANFO for decades. If it can blow up an APC it can probably take down a 9-story post-and-beam building.

120 posted on 04/20/2002 1:00:42 PM PDT by Justa
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