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1 posted on 04/18/2002 2:29:26 PM PDT by Starmaker
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To: Starmaker
I don´t have a “peace plan” other than to put my faith and trust in the One who “makes peace in the heavens, make peace on us and on all Israel.”

Amen!

2 posted on 04/18/2002 2:34:15 PM PDT by Tom Jefferson
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To: Starmaker
There is no falsehood too blatant, no comparison too odious, no exaggeration too bloated, no accusation too grotesque for the media to gobble up and regurgitate for a worldwide audience, who swallow it all without raising an eyebrow.

On this point, there was an interesting item posted today on Andrew Sullivan's blog. Andrea Koppel is Ted Koppel's daughter:

ANDREA KOPPEL'S OBJECTIVITY: A fascinating squabble over CNN senior correspondent Andrea Koppel is beginning to make the email rounds. It concerns allegations that the Israeli Defense Force has conducted a slaughter of civilians in the Jenin refugee camp. The reliably anti-Israel and pro-terrorism newspaper, the Independent, is running hard with the story today. The New York Times version is harrowing but doesn't find evidence of anything but collateral civilian deaths. Still, It seems Andrea Koppel knew for sure there was an Israeli massacre as early as last Sunday. Here's an email from an Israel-sympathizer who had an encounter with Koppel last week:

I am attending the Israel Venture Association annual conference in Tel Aviv and was introduced to Andrea Koppel from CNN as we were waiting for Prime Minister Sharon and Secretary of State Powell to finish their discussion Sunday evening at our hotel.
While we were chatting, an American-born Israeli joined us to tell Andrea about his perception of media distortion in that the press that stresses moral equivalence between Israeli civilian deaths caused by Palestinian terror and Palestinian civilian deaths caused by Israeli military actions. He argued that Israel has tried to engage in a peace process since Camp David and has been double-crossed over and over by the Palestinian Authority. Further, he argued the civilian deaths caused by Palestinians are intentional, whereas the deaths caused by Israel are mostly the tragic, unintentional results caused by Israel trying to defend itself.
Andrea replied, "So when Israeli soldiers slaughter civilians in Jenin, that is not equivalent?"
Israeli: "What are your sources? Were you in Jenin? How exactly do you
know there was a slaughter?"
Andrea: "I just spoke with my colleagues who were there, and they told me of the slaughter."
Israeli: "Did they actually see the shooting, the bodies?"
Andrea: "Palestinians told us about the slaughter."
Israeli: "And you believe them without evidence. Could they possibly be
lying and distorting facts?"
Andrea: "Oh, so now they are all just lying??"
The Israeli became emotional in describing that his children are afraid, his friends have been murdered, and if this goes on, "We could lose our lives or we could lose our country."
Andrea, "Yes, you will lose your country."
At this point, I interrupted the two of them and asked Andrea Koppel,
"Did I just hear you correctly-- that you believe the current crisis will lead to the destruction of the State of Israel?"
Andrea: "Yes, I believe we are now seeing the beginning of the end of Israel."
Koppel and Walter Isaacson have denied the gist of this account, and insist that Koppel didn't use the word 'slaughter.' The man present continues to insist that was precisely the word she used, and that she clearly predicted the demise of Israel. I wasn't there. I have no way to prove which party is lying. But when you see Andrea Koppel on television, 'reporting' on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, it seems to me you should be aware of this alleged exchange.

3 posted on 04/18/2002 2:45:19 PM PDT by beckett
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I'm waiting very impatiently for global revulsion with the horrific barbarity of the insane shahidi death cult to break forth. That it has not done so long ago is a shame to the "civilized" world. The lack of moral clarity is frankly very frightening to me, and I'm sure to many others.

Still, I think the backlash will come. I don't think either the Palis, or the "But"-Muslims I see on the television every night ("terrorism is wrong, BUT the horrors and indignities of occupation... yada, yada) are going to be ready for it.

So far only little trickles, like the German officials who want to track down the man at the protest march with the child on his shoulder (presumably his daughter) dressed as a suicide bomber. When will the dam break?

4 posted on 04/18/2002 3:51:45 PM PDT by Stultis
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To: Starmaker
From all my sins, save me, and put not upon me the insults of the obscene. What this means is: Do not allow me to be accused, falsely, by the ones who are themselves guilty of what they accuse me!

The Palestinians are using the "Jenin Massacre" to counter the Israli outrage at the "Passover Massacre" that triggered the military incursions in the first place.

-PJ

5 posted on 04/18/2002 4:17:58 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too
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To: Starmaker; JethroTull
He quotes a Professor Pounder from Dundee University, who is confident, after interviewing “credible” witnesses, that eventually proof of a war crime will turn up.

"In a reversal peculiar to our age, it is innocence, not guilt, that is called upon the justify itself." --Albert Camus

6 posted on 04/18/2002 4:26:02 PM PDT by HockeyPop
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To: Starmaker
Since the beginning of the ongoing terror war against the free world, the terrorists have become more and more outrageous in their shrill litany of lies against Israel and the Jews. There is no falsehood too blatant, no comparison too odious, no exaggeration too bloated, no accusation too grotesque for the media to gobble up and regurgitate for a worldwide audience, who swallow it all without raising an eyebrow.

All those who hate the Jews, have the Father of All Liars as their Lord and Master.

7 posted on 04/18/2002 4:39:34 PM PDT by AmericaUnited
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