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THE UGLY AMERICAN REDUX (Bush Backs a Botched Coup in Venezuela )
Yahoo News ^ | Wed Apr 17, 2002 | Ted Rall

Posted on 04/18/2002 7:22:51 AM PDT by jern

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To: tallhappy
Perhaps you can try real hard and learn the difference between news articles and opinion pieces.......

....and novels

21 posted on 04/18/2002 10:03:48 AM PDT by paul51
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To: LaBelleDameSansMerci; jern
Thanks for the post LBDSM and the LINK to my Hugo "library." If anyone cares to look at it they'll easily see the people of Venezuela have been hoodwinked and they now know it. Chavez has started passing laws by decree. He tried to install his own man as head of the union with some creative voting ala Mugabe. He's called the Church a cancer and courts every anti-American he can find time to embrace. I say, the only why we can be held to blame is if, being a free people and having a president that condemns communism and corruption gives the people in oppressive countries "ideas," then I guess we're guilty.
22 posted on 04/18/2002 10:08:00 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: tallhappy
What's your problem? I don't like Rall either, but don't take that out on your fellow FReeper who simply posted an article. You come off like a real jerk. Try being nice to your fellow FReepers.
23 posted on 04/18/2002 10:49:56 AM PDT by Rodney King
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To: Howlin
This article is left wing crap still I wish the coup had succeeded the coup leaders should have heedeed the old maxim "don't strike the king unless you intend to kill him".
24 posted on 04/18/2002 10:54:05 AM PDT by weikel
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To: LaBelleDameSansMerci
Typical of you miss appeaser to support a communist like Chavez if the coup leaders had the guts to kill him It would be better for almost everyone. All f****** commies, jihadist etc must f****** die.
25 posted on 04/18/2002 10:56:20 AM PDT by weikel
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To: LaBelleDameSansMerci
In the absence of real information, we are all free to choose our own interpretations of events in Venezuela. What I would like to know is why you choose the interpretation most unflattering to the United States in every respect: not only are we globalist, corporatist predators and assassins, we are incompetent to boot!

Who gained from this little piece of Kabuke theater? Certainly not the United States. Not the people of Venezuela (who were polling at about 80% against Chavez before the "failed coup." Not the Church. Not the CIA. Not the forces of freedom and reform in Latin America (such as they are). Not really even the dreaded oil companies.

The only ones who gained are Chavez and his inner circle. I have no doubt that "we" were hoping this coup would work (I know I was). But I am convinced that the reason you didn't see us jumping for joy and moving to consolidate the new government's hold on power was because it was orchestrated by Chavez himself--right down to his noble washing of his own underpants in the holding cell.

26 posted on 04/18/2002 11:10:50 AM PDT by cicero's_son
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To: jern
It's too soon to know for certain whether the CIA...

If there's no evidence the CIA was involved, that in itself is evidence that they were [/sarcasm].

27 posted on 04/18/2002 12:16:32 PM PDT by PsyOp
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To: jern
"I haven't said that this conspiracy (against me) has its roots in the United States," President Chávez said April 15th. He didn't need to.

Yeah, Ted. Why wait for evidence when speculation and conjecture is so much easier?

28 posted on 04/18/2002 12:46:18 PM PDT by L.N. Smithee
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To: opticoax
Remember that Ted Rall did the very tasteful 9-11 Widows cartoon, and the depiction of Bush as a terrorist flying into the Twin Towers. Ted is just another Abbie Hoffman-esque failure who can only garner attention by being insufferable.

In fairness to Rall -- as opposed to fairness by Rall, something I am not sure exists -- he didn't do that cartoon with Bush flying into the Twin Towers marked "Social Security." But it wouldn't be surprising if he had.

29 posted on 04/18/2002 12:48:54 PM PDT by L.N. Smithee
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To: LaBelleDameSansMerci
"If you want proof of that read what the Wall Street Journal, Barons, New York Times, Washington Post, the Economist and the Financial Times has to say about him ... he is Lucifer personified in their eyes.

Also, please don't make the mistake the "good guys" always make in history: thinking that the enemy of your enemy must be your friend.

WWI and WWII should have drilled that lesson into our heads.

Chavez IS Luciferian, even though the New York Times, the Economist, etc. say he is.

30 posted on 04/18/2002 1:08:46 PM PDT by cicero's_son
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To: cicero's_son
Frenchie there strikes me as a commie I don't care whether a government is "Democratically elected" or a monarchy its the amount of freedom they have that counts and an elected Communist is just as worthy of death as one who came to power in an uprising.
31 posted on 04/18/2002 1:44:49 PM PDT by weikel
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To: tallhappy
So tell me what I can and can not post. So can you NOT publish op/eds anymore. Do I need to run it by you first?
32 posted on 04/18/2002 1:49:35 PM PDT by jern
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To: jern
So tell me what I can and can not post. So can you NOT publish op/eds anymore. Do I need to run it by you first?

If you feel the need to, sure, I'll give you advice.

Your attitude is refreshing.

I'll help you.

33 posted on 04/18/2002 2:02:18 PM PDT by tallhappy
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To: L.N. Smithee
I stand corrected, that was Mike Markland.
34 posted on 04/19/2002 8:38:03 PM PDT by opticoax
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To: jern
Has Chavez done anything to build up a strong middle class?
35 posted on 04/19/2002 8:49:49 PM PDT by FITZ
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To: jern
There was no coup.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/Archive/Article/0%2C4273%2C4396083%2C00.html

Don't believe everything you read in the papers about Venezuela

Contrary to the reports of a spoonfed western press, Hugo Chavez was not unpopular and did not resign, says Greg Palast

Greg Palast

Guardian Unlimited

Wednesday April 17, 2002

Here's what we read this week: On Friday, Hugo Chavez, the unpopular, dictatorial potentate of Venezuela, resigned. When confronted over his ordering the shooting of antigovernment protestors, he turned over the presidency to progressive, democratic forces, namely, the military and the chief of Venezuela's business council.

Two things about the story caught my eye: First, every one of these factoids is dead wrong. And second, newspapers throughout the ruling hemisphere, from the New York Times to the Independent to (wince) the Guardian, used almost identical words - "dictatorial", "unpopular", "resignation" - in their reports.

Let's begin with the faux "resignation" that allowed the Bush and Blair governments to fall over their own feet rushing towards recognition of the coup leaders. I had seen no statement of this alleged resignation, nor heard it, nor received any reliable witness report of it. I was fascinated. In January, I had broadcast on US radio that Chavez would face a coup by the end of April. But resign? That was not the Chavez style.

I demanded answers from the Venezuelan embassy in London, and from there, at 2am on Saturday morning, I reached Miguel Madriz Bustamante, a cabinet member who had spoken with Chavez by phone after the president's kidnapping by armed rebels. Chavez, he said, went along with his "arrest" to avoid bloodshed, but added: "I am still president."

The resignation myth was the capstone of a year-long disinformation campaign against the populist former paratrooper who took office with 60% of the vote. The Bush White House is quoted as stating that Chavez's being elected by "a majority of voters" did not confer "legitimacy" on the Venezuelan government. The assertion was not unexpected from a US administration selected over the opposition of the majority of American voters.

What neither Bush nor the papers told you is that Chavez's real crime was to pass two laws through Venezuela's national assembly. The first ordered big plantation owners to turn over untilled land to the landless. The second nearly doubled, from roughly 16% to 30%, royalties paid for extracting Venezuela's oil. Venezuela was once the largest exporter of oil to the USA, bigger than Saudi Arabia. This explains Chavez's unpopularity - at least within that key constituency, the American petroleum industry.

There remains the charge that, in the words of the New York Times, "Chavez ordered soldiers to fire on a crowd [of protesters]." This bloody smear, sans evidence, stained every Western paper, including Britain's newest lefty, the Mirror. Yet I could easily reach eyewitnesses without ties to any faction who said the shooting began from a roadway overpass controlled by the anti-Chavez Metropolitan Police, and the first to fall were pro-Chavez demonstrators.

I have obtained a cable from the CIA to its station chief in the Capitol: "Re: Coup. Activities to include propaganda, black operations, disinformation, or anything else your imagination can conjure... "

Admittedly, this is old stuff: written just before the coup against Salvador Allende. Times have changed. Thirty years ago, when US corporations demanded the removal of a bothersome president, the CIA thought it most important to aim propaganda at the Latin locals. Now, it seems, in the drumbeat of disinformation buzzwords about Chavez - "dictatorial", "unpopular", "resigned" - the propagandists have learned to aim at that more gullible pack of pigeons, the American and European press.

· Greg Palast is the author of The Best Democracy Money Can Buy, out this month from Pluto Press

36 posted on 04/19/2002 9:06:12 PM PDT by rack42
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To: rack42
What neither Bush nor the papers told you is that Chavez's real crime was to pass two laws through Venezuela's national assembly. The first ordered big plantation owners to turn over untilled land to the landless. The second nearly doubled, from roughly 16% to 30%, royalties paid for extracting Venezuela's oil. Venezuela was once the largest exporter of oil to the USA, bigger than Saudi Arabia. This explains Chavez's unpopularity - at least within that key constituency, the American petroleum industry.

OK, help me with this one...the allegations that this was all about oil is expected from Palast, but that is the second raison d'etre listed; the first is the seizing of land to be distributed to "the landless."

What's Bush's beef with that? Why doesn't Palast elaborate? Does he actually know what he is talking about?

37 posted on 04/19/2002 11:16:37 PM PDT by L.N. Smithee
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To: Numbers Guy
He makes Garry "all my characters have Pinnochio noses" Trudeau look like Rembrandt by comparison.

Trudeau doesn't even draw his own strips anymore. He sends roughs to some guy in Colorado who does the actually artwork.

Who sez? Michael Milken, the rare junk bond guy who served time in the pen as a white-collar crook. Trudeau went after him and UCLA after they hired him to do some sort of instruction, and Milken retaliated by, among other verbal attacks, revealing the arrangement.

Take a look at the early Doonesbury strips vs. the ones of the past decade or so. The composition and depth is superior now than it used to be, suggesting that either Trudeau had improved as an illustrator or that he simply hired a better illustrator.

38 posted on 04/19/2002 11:53:41 PM PDT by L.N. Smithee
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